Blood test precycle

**sonmychest** · 05-22-2014, 06:21 PM

Hello. All info seems in normal ranges, but test kinda low for my age and prolactin high. Still waiting for SHBG and free T, they will be updated later today.

I was ready to start the test e + hcg cycle , but was adviced with my stats and training expirience i don't need it and instead i should do low dose dianabol for 10 weeks, therapy with just supplements most likely , go off 10-14 weeks and then if i still want to do another cycle then it would benefit me much more. Uploading pic with the reults. Any thoughts/advices?

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Some stats:

Age 23, Height 181 cm, Weight 80 kg, Training and dieting 2 years+, just training more than 6. Got some pics in the member section.

**sonmychest** · 05-22-2014, 06:22 PM

Results are: LH, FSH, Prolactin, Estradiol, Testosteron, SHBG, Free Testosteron

**kelkel** · 05-22-2014, 08:55 PM

Your t levels do seem low for your age. Many things can suppress test production and one of them is prolactin. Others are thyroid, cortisol, test boosters, AAS, etc. I'd suggest further BW to include a full thyroid panel such as TSH, FT3, FT4, RT3 and antibodies.

I'd hold off on cycling until you find out of there's an issue that you can correct that will elevate your endogenous T. Keep in mind that some people just naturally run low. And whoever gave you the advice about running dianabol by itself is a retard and you should punch them square in the face. When it is time to cycle follow Austinites "How to Run A Successful First Cycle" sticky thread.

**sonmychest** · 05-23-2014, 01:32 AM

kelkel, thanks for the reply. I will wait free test to be uploaded and then contact the guy.

What he told me was low doses of dianabol would hurt less than the beginner cycle from Austine i showed him. I really feel he understand his things and got his reasons. He is PhD, ex competitor, training long time and training/prepping many athletes at all ages to compete.

I will update when i meet him with what exactly he's telling me / wrote to me

**sonmychest** · 05-23-2014, 02:25 AM

SHBG is exactly on the middle 23.5 nmol/l (ЕCLIA) , but free test again on the low side - 0.252. Ranges 0,236 - 0,68 (Method calc).

**kelkel** · 05-23-2014, 09:57 AM

Originally Posted by sonmychest

kelkel, thanks for the reply. I will wait free test to be uploaded and then contact the guy.

What he told me was low doses of dianabol would hurt less than the beginner cycle from Austine i showed him. I really feel he understand his things and got his reasons. He is PhD, ex competitor, training long time and training/prepping many athletes at all ages to compete.

I will update when i meet him with what exactly he's telling me / wrote to me

Hurt less?

Well, no matter what he has hanging on his wall he's incorrect. He may be very confident with what he espouses but again, it doesn't mean he's correct. Dianabol by itself will shut down your natural testosterone production. Why on earth would anyone do that willingly to themselves or preach that to anyone else. Makes me wonder what else he'll come up with.....or what decade his info is from....

**sonmychest** · 05-23-2014, 10:06 AM

kelkel, thanks again.

I arranged to meet him Monday and will post again. I will discuss with him if he really believe it's good to run just dianabol given my current T stats.

Greetings,

**kelkel** · 05-23-2014, 10:09 AM

Don't be afraid to question him as it's your health. But Dbol by itself is a definite NO. Plenty of threads here on that topic.

**sonmychest** · 05-23-2014, 10:12 AM

I will, but indeed i checked here and other forums, there are people who ran just Dbol (10-25mg/d), they even named threads "supplemention" with Dbol. Will post more on Monday.

**sonmychest** · 06-02-2014, 12:17 PM

I started Dbol only , 3 times per 5mg , had weird feelings in the nipple after 4 days taking it and the next day they looked very bad. Called the coach and he adviced me to add proviron , so far had 3x25mg , 2x25mg , 2x25mg and nipples are almost back to normal. He also adviced to continue with 10mg devided by 2 per day + 50mg proviron devided by 2 and call him on the end of the week.

**Grymreefer** · 06-05-2014, 07:22 AM

Listen to the people telling you do NOT take dbol alone. You will regret it.

**sonmychest** · 06-05-2014, 10:13 AM

I already told the coach i want to take some test, as little as 150-200mg/week, but he was against it. Will meet him Friday-Saturday and decide if i should continue Dbol , i feel like this is not the steroid for me having side effects with just 15mg / day first 5 days.
I also feel it's not the right thing atm, but want to continue working with him at least some more and decide again then.
Thanks for the opinions.

**sonmychest** · 06-18-2014, 11:11 AM

Just quick update. I started on 15mg dbol , after 4 days got first signs of gyno and added proviron , also decreased to 10mg. Nipple calmed down a bit, but still puffy. Increased to 15mg and now im on 4th week, from 80kg very lean to 85kg-86kg, after 5 days going to increase it to 20mg/d with 50mg proviron/d. Pic from yesterday.

I'm supplemeting with 8-9g creatine/d, bcaa pre/post training (xtend scivation) + austine's stack for acne and can say it's helping a lot

**sonmychest** · 06-18-2014, 11:21 AM

also forgot to add 3 times per day whey isolate

**kelkel** · 06-18-2014, 11:22 AM

You really should listen to us. Your coach is an idiot. Dbol by itself is suppressive to your natural test production. Is that your coaches goal, suppress your endogenous test production? Then what? Proviron is a DHT therefore a weak anti-E. It will help a little but it's not close to the effectiveness of an AI.

Are you taking liver support? Or did he not think of that?

**sonmychest** · 06-18-2014, 11:31 AM

Kelkel, thanks for joining the thread again.

I really respect my coach, he's prepping very good portion of our bodybuilding competitors and for now i don't have much reason to not trust him , without any disrespect to your posts. He also got PhD degree, training actively.

Not taking any liver support, but can add NOW Liver Detoxifier & Regenerator when we bump the dose at 20mg/d and then i will ask again if we can add Nolva, he didn't want to add any AI cos this would weaken the effect of the dbol .

**Chicagotarsier** · 06-20-2014, 07:05 AM

This is why asking your age or bodyfat first is wrong. First question should be, are you dumb to steroids ? (Dumb means not knowing ie Dumb to the fact). Dumb is not to know the information or been exposed to it. Stupid is to be on the most informative website about this stuff and not being able to read the information and use it.

I am primary hypogonad. I would kill for those balls and HPTA you are currently putting through the ringer.

**sonmychest** · 06-20-2014, 09:09 AM

Chicagotarsier, thanks for posting.

Looks like max dbol per day would be 20 or 25, since i have 4 weeks left. Max was 15mg (10 mostly). I'm up 7kg from 80kg to 87 , probably water is most of this weight , but feels like chest and legs are bigger. Also i was told i'm in perfect position to gain weight with minimum amount of steroids and that's the reason i didn't start one from the recommended cycles here with test and pregnyl.

I know everyone is against just orals here, but i went for it and this will be my last just orals cycle i hope. I don't see any side effects for now. Had few days balls really hard and small just like after sex (after 5 days of dbol) or masturbating and few days very active errections (after 7-10 days of proviron ), now everything is back to normal.

**sonmychest** · 06-26-2014, 03:05 PM

Damnnn, weighted 88kg today from 80 start, ramped the dosage to 20mg 2 days ago. Added liver detoxifier & regenerator from NOW foods, but had small injury. Trained arms today and felt way way worse.. Now i guess i'm out of the gym 2-4 days. Bought some glucosamine and joint oil, hope it speeds up the recovery

**sonmychest** · 06-26-2014, 03:06 PM

Also added 10mg nolva, wanted 20mg or 30 , because on all forums i read people use it from 20 to 60mg for gyno sides but the coach said just 10 for now will be good.

**sonmychest** · 06-27-2014, 02:13 PM

I will keep this thread updated like small blog If some of the mods decide move it to the member cycle results/blogs. Also when i'm done with the cycle and pct will do/upload new bloodwork.

Decited to sell some old clothes. I don't know why but i look very weird - narrow infront and in the same time got some witdh on the back. Something i noted was the muscle groups i train very little like 1 excercise 2-3 sets (traps, calves, hamstrings) are developing superwell while on cycle. The coach method pretty much is consisting by doing excercises without hitting failure anywhere. He said it's much more important to fuel the muscles with protein and aminos pre/post workout instead to deplete the glycogen wihtout being able to do good recover.