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    Things you have to believe to be a Republican today

    Got this off Howard Stern's website. Allow me to state that I do not believe these apply to all Republicans and I do admit that some seem more true than others.

    Things you have to believe to be a Republican today

    • Being a drug addict is a moral failing and a crime, unless you’re a conservative radio host. Then it’s an illness and you need our prayers for your recovery.


    • The United States should get out of the United Nations, and our highest national priority is enforcing U.N. resolutions against Iraq.


    • Government should relax regulation of Big Business and Big Money but crack down on individuals who use marijuana to relieve the pain of illness.


    • “Standing Tall for America” means firing your workers and moving their jobs to India.


    • A woman can’t be trusted with decisions about her own body, but multi-national corporations can make decisions affecting all mankind without regulation.


    • Jesus loves you, and shares your hatred of homosexuals and Hillary Clinton.


    • The best way to improve military morale is to praise the troops in speeches while slashing veterans’ benefits and combat pay.


    • Group sex and drug use are degenerate sins unless you someday run for governor of California as a Republican.


    • If condoms are kept out of schools, adolescents won’t have sex.


    • A good way to fight terrorism is to belittle our long-time allies, then demand their cooperation and money.


    • HMOs and insurance companies have the interest of the public at heart.


    • Providing health care to all Iraqis is sound policy. Providing health care to all Americans is socialism.


    • Global warming and tobacco’s link to cancer are junk science, but creationism should be taught in schools.


    • Saddam was a good guy when Reagan armed him, a bad guy when Bush’s daddy made war on him, a good guy when Cheney did business with him and a bad guy when Bush needed a “we can’t find Bin Laden” diversion.


    • A president lying about an extramarital affair is an impeachable offense. A president lying to enlist support for a war in which thousands die is solid defense policy.


    • Government should limit itself to the powers named in the Constitution, which include banning gay marriages and censoring the Internet.


    • The public has a right to know about Hillary’s cattle trades, but George Bush’s driving record is none of our business.


    • You support states’ rights, which means Attorney General John Ashcroft can tell states what local voter initiatives they have a right to adopt.


    • What Bill Clinton did in the 1960s is of vital national interest, but what Bush did in the ’80s is irrelevant.


    • Trade with Cuba is wrong because the country is communist, but trade with China and Vietnam is vital to a spirit of international harmony.

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    Most of those are pretty good, I am an independant and dont follow either party, this message was approved by cpt steele

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    coward stern is a disgrace

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    Most of those ideas are shared by both parties and both have affected them.

    What it means to be a Republican is to have moral conviction. The rules don't change as you go no gray areas, right and wrong apply.

    Now why don't all you democrats go hug a tree, sign over your paycheck to the IRS, Abort a child to make you feel empowered, and keep waffling on the issues when it suits you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1victor
    Most of those ideas are shared by both parties and both have affected them.

    What it means to be a Republican is to have moral conviction. The rules don't change as you go no gray areas, right and wrong apply.

    Now why don't all you democrats go hug a tree, sign over your paycheck to the IRS, Abort a child to make you feel empowered, and keep waffling on the issues when it suits you.
    While I might have felt that in my heart, I would have held back a bit on the open board as not to start an all out flame war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1victor
    Most of those ideas are shared by both parties and both have affected them.

    What it means to be a Republican is to have moral conviction. The rules don't change as you go no gray areas, right and wrong apply.

    Now why don't all you democrats go hug a tree, sign over your paycheck to the IRS, Abort a child to make you feel empowered, and keep waffling on the issues when it suits you.
    Okay, but only if it's a republican's child.

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    That's the problem with you, you are killing off your own and we Republicans are growing rapidly we don't abort.

    As far as holding back it seems a liberal has the right to say what they want without reproach, I invoke that right for myself.

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    I think a couple of em are a little off, but overall its a pretty good darn list.

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    Only thing that hold most democrats back from being a republican is having a hose hold income of 59,999 and moving up a bracket. Screw it, who has to work hard if we can charge the hard working Americans that have done what it takes to make a better than average living for them self’s. Take the money from the "rich" (our grandparents and parent that have saved and done the right thing most of there life or worked hard to get an education) and give it to some that makes a career out of welfare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tork
    Only thing that hold most democrats back from being a republican is having a hose hold income of 59,999 and moving up a bracket. Screw it, who has to work hard if we can charge the hard working Americans that have done what it takes to make a better than average living for them self’s. Take the money from the "rich" (our grandparents and parent that have saved and done the right thing most of there life or worked hard to get an education) and give it to some that makes a career out of welfare.


    i like you.....

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    I'm a democrat and i oppose abortion. What's the big deal?

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    It was just a generalization just like all the crap from Stern. You are a Democrat because you are from Mass. you can't help it, I forgive you. I actually lived there for three years Marblehead?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tork
    Only thing that hold most democrats back from being a republican is having a hose hold income of 59,999 and moving up a bracket. Screw it, who has to work hard if we can charge the hard working Americans that have done what it takes to make a better than average living for them self’s. Take the money from the "rich" (our grandparents and parent that have saved and done the right thing most of there life or worked hard to get an education) and give it to some that makes a career out of welfare.
    Well, you almost have that number correct, but its off just a tad smidge. Its actually an annual income of I beleive $334,000. So, most of us couldn't get up to that tax bracket if we wanted to.

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    Too black and white. I dont see how republicans are considered pro life. Im a repub and I am pro choice as are most repubs. I dont get it. just vote for whom ever keeps us safe and doesnt take all of our money.
    No president can garuntee jobs.
    He cant garuntee anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bermich
    Too black and white. I dont see how republicans are considered pro life. Im a repub and I am pro choice as are most repubs. I dont get it. just vote for whom ever keeps us safe and doesnt take all of our money.
    No president can garuntee jobs.
    He cant garuntee anything.

    Agreed. I am also pro choice and favor the liberal arguements toward enviornmental protection.

    But it wouldn't hurt to not give companies tax incentives to move operations off shore. I'm not saying we should tax them extra, but come on! Rant over.

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    All I know is that if I was American I would vote Libertarian. Best of both worlds. Economically sound yet socially progressive and a prudent foreign policy.

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    all those classifycations is what brands you ppl as cattle and me as the cattle with no brand..LOL

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    lol...you think either side will get you anywhere?

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    There's no difference between democrats and republicans. Do you think you're really that much better or worse off because Clinton beat Bush Sr? Or because Bush Jr beat Dole? They talk about their differences but once they get into office they all do the same thing.

    People have to be able to think for themselves. Understand each issue on its own merits and make your decision based on the facts and your beliefs, not because you label yourself with either an elephant or a donkey.

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    Hmmm.... I am well over that income, but I still am a registered Democrat.. and as far as "Tax and Spend", that's WAYYYY better than "Don't Tax and Spend More".

    It comes down to my basic personal issues that align more with the Dems than the GOP. Both parties have major issues. However, we have to remember that we ususally have a LOT more in common that different. Voting for a Third Party is almost certainly a vote for Bush.

    And as far as others saying "I am pro choice, but I am GOP"... the Party's platform disagrees with you.


    Quote Originally Posted by Tork
    Only thing that hold most democrats back from being a republican is having a hose hold income of 59,999 and moving up a bracket. Screw it, who has to work hard if we can charge the hard working Americans that have done what it takes to make a better than average living for them self’s. Take the money from the "rich" (our grandparents and parent that have saved and done the right thing most of there life or worked hard to get an education) and give it to some that makes a career out of welfare.

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    [QUOTE=1victor]That's the problem with you, you are killing off your own and we Republicans are growing rapidly we don't abort.
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    Uh-ha...mmm...right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saboudian
    Well, you almost have that number correct, but its off just a tad smidge. Its actually an annual income of I beleive $334,000. So, most of us couldn't get up to that tax bracket if we wanted to.
    Also there is no longer a payroll tax above $100,000. So the guy in the 32% bracket making $200,000/year is actually at a lower level as the $50,000/year guy in the 25% bracket when you add the 14% Social Security tax.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matty
    Got this off Howard Stern's website. Allow me to state that I do not believe these apply to all Republicans and I do admit that some seem more true than others.

    Things you have to believe to be a Republican today

    • Being a drug addict is a moral failing and a crime, unless you’re a conservative radio host. Then it’s an illness and you need our prayers for your recovery.


    • The United States should get out of the United Nations, and our highest national priority is enforcing U.N. resolutions against Iraq.


    • Government should relax regulation of Big Business and Big Money but crack down on individuals who use marijuana to relieve the pain of illness.


    • “Standing Tall for America” means firing your workers and moving their jobs to India.


    • A woman can’t be trusted with decisions about her own body, but multi-national corporations can make decisions affecting all mankind without regulation.


    • Jesus loves you, and shares your hatred of homosexuals and Hillary Clinton.


    • The best way to improve military morale is to praise the troops in speeches while slashing veterans’ benefits and combat pay.


    • Group sex and drug use are degenerate sins unless you someday run for governor of California as a Republican.


    • If condoms are kept out of schools, adolescents won’t have sex.


    • A good way to fight terrorism is to belittle our long-time allies, then demand their cooperation and money.


    • HMOs and insurance companies have the interest of the public at heart.


    • Providing health care to all Iraqis is sound policy. Providing health care to all Americans is socialism.


    • Global warming and tobacco’s link to cancer are junk science, but creationism should be taught in schools.


    • Saddam was a good guy when Reagan armed him, a bad guy when Bush’s daddy made war on him, a good guy when Cheney did business with him and a bad guy when Bush needed a “we can’t find Bin Laden” diversion.


    • A president lying about an extramarital affair is an impeachable offense. A president lying to enlist support for a war in which thousands die is solid defense policy.


    • Government should limit itself to the powers named in the Constitution, which include banning gay marriages and censoring the Internet.


    • The public has a right to know about Hillary’s cattle trades, but George Bush’s driving record is none of our business.


    • You support states’ rights, which means Attorney General John Ashcroft can tell states what local voter initiatives they have a right to adopt.


    • What Bill Clinton did in the 1960s is of vital national interest, but what Bush did in the ’80s is irrelevant.


    • Trade with Cuba is wrong because the country is communist, but trade with China and Vietnam is vital to a spirit of international harmony.
    Nice list. Several are true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bad_man
    There's no difference between democrats and republicans. Do you think you're really that much better or worse off because Clinton beat Bush Sr? Or because Bush Jr beat Dole? They talk about their differences but once they get into office they all do the same thing.

    People have to be able to think for themselves. Understand each issue on its own merits and make your decision based on the facts and your beliefs, not because you label yourself with either an elephant or a donkey.
    I definitely agree that people HAVE to think for themselves and make their own decisions. The problem is most people do not. They are constantly dumbed down and brainwashed by the liberal news media.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy34
    I definitely agree that people HAVE to think for themselves and make their own decisions. The problem is most people do not. They are constantly dumbed down and brainwashed by the liberal news media.
    this is always my favorite thing to hear, the "liberal" news media. multi billion dollar corporations pushing for communism. it gets funnier every time i hear it.

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    bump to 1vic..Agree 110%

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    Dem Frame Of Mind

    How about the Commie..eerrr Dem frame of mind...
    • You vote Democrat because it's easier than getting a job!
    • You think the rich can get richer off people who have no money.
    • You've named your kids "Stardust" or "Moonbeam".
    • You've tried to argue that all of societies problems are based on the fact that McDonald's, by law, only has to pay $5.45/hr.
    • If you utter the phrase "There ought to be a law" at least once a week.
    • If you have ever used the phrase "protecting prisoner's rights".
    • If you find yourself nodding vigorously and saying "someone finally said it right" during an episode of Oprah.
    • You call the execution of a homicidal aniac "murder" but call murder "pro-choice".
    • You've ever referred to the Military/Industrial Complex during a conversation.
    • You know you never laughed as a kid, the world was in just too bad a shape.
    • All of your 1970's "Beware of Global Freezing" signs now have "Beware of Global Warming" on the back.
    • Your friends told you how much fun you had at the Grateful Dead show, but your not sure what year you saw them.
    • You file suit against the mall rent-a-cops for posting signs stating that your bags are subject to inspection.
    • You've ever argued that "you can't legislate morality".
    • Referred to the Founding Fathers as "those aristocratic, chauvinistic, lily white, slave owning, land stealing oppressors of indigenous personnel".

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    Now that is funny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BamaSlamma
    How about the Commie..eerrr Dem frame of mind...
    • You vote Democrat because it's easier than getting a job!
    • You think the rich can get richer off people who have no money.
    • You've named your kids "Stardust" or "Moonbeam".
    • You've tried to argue that all of societies problems are based on the fact that McDonald's, by law, only has to pay $5.45/hr.
    • If you utter the phrase "There ought to be a law" at least once a week.
    • If you have ever used the phrase "protecting prisoner's rights".
    • If you find yourself nodding vigorously and saying "someone finally said it right" during an episode of Oprah.
    • You call the execution of a homicidal aniac "murder" but call murder "pro-choice".
    • You've ever referred to the Military/Industrial Complex during a conversation.
    • You know you never laughed as a kid, the world was in just too bad a shape.
    • All of your 1970's "Beware of Global Freezing" signs now have "Beware of Global Warming" on the back.
    • Your friends told you how much fun you had at the Grateful Dead show, but your not sure what year you saw them.
    • You file suit against the mall rent-a-cops for posting signs stating that your bags are subject to inspection.
    • You've ever argued that "you can't legislate morality".
    • Referred to the Founding Fathers as "those aristocratic, chauvinistic, lily white, slave owning, land stealing oppressors of indigenous personnel".
    1. i have a job, but i'm still a democrat.
    2. where else would the rich get their money from? It's either inherited or exploited.
    3. no. This is exactly the kind of namecalling that republicans resort to when they can't come up with legitimate arguments.
    4. It's not that mcdonalds pays 5.00 an hour, it's that there exist people in the world who have more money than they could ever possibly spend and they hoard it for themselves. It's that there exist people who have done nothing for society but are still ridiculously wealthy because they were born into it.
    5. This is taking way too long so i'm just going to stop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisAdams
    1. i have a job, but i'm still a democrat.
    2. where else would the rich get their money from? It's either inherited or exploited.
    3. no. This is exactly the kind of namecalling that republicans resort to when they can't come up with legitimate arguments.
    4. It's not that mcdonalds pays 5.00 an hour, it's that there exist people in the world who have more money than they could ever possibly spend and they hoard it for themselves. It's that there exist people who have done nothing for society but are still ridiculously wealthy because they were born into it.
    5. This is taking way too long so i'm just going to stop.
    I make my money off the middle class. I paid 36k in federal taxes last year. I guess thats the rich getting richer. Not to mention all the taxes I paid for things i bought. I am a republican. I keep America moving and I pay for most democratic policies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Martha
    I make my money off the middle class. I paid 36k in federal taxes last year. I guess thats the rich getting richer. Not to mention all the taxes I paid for things i bought. I am a republican. I keep America moving and I pay for most democratic policies.

    lets not forget that regan quadrupled the federal deficit, and bush has now doubled it again. the inflation resulting from this took more money away from you than anything else in the last twenty five years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sin
    lets not forget that regan quadrupled the federal deficit, and bush has now doubled it again. the inflation resulting from this took more money away from you than anything else in the last twenty five years.

    This is a debate that me and a dem friend of mine always have. Raise my taxes and I pay more. Dems. Raise the deficit and I pay more. Republicans. No changing any of it, I will always pay more. My beliefs still lie with republican party social beliefs. Dems and Republicans **** me on my money every time. I just rather my money go where the republicans are putting it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BamaSlamma
    How about the Commie..eerrr Dem frame of mind...
    • You vote Democrat because it's easier than getting a job!
    • You think the rich can get richer off people who have no money.
    • You've named your kids "Stardust" or "Moonbeam".
    • You've tried to argue that all of societies problems are based on the fact that McDonald's, by law, only has to pay $5.45/hr.
    • If you utter the phrase "There ought to be a law" at least once a week.
    • If you have ever used the phrase "protecting prisoner's rights".
    • If you find yourself nodding vigorously and saying "someone finally said it right" during an episode of Oprah.
    • You call the execution of a homicidal aniac "murder" but call murder "pro-choice".
    • You've ever referred to the Military/Industrial Complex during a conversation.
    • You know you never laughed as a kid, the world was in just too bad a shape.
    • All of your 1970's "Beware of Global Freezing" signs now have "Beware of Global Warming" on the back.
    • Your friends told you how much fun you had at the Grateful Dead show, but your not sure what year you saw them.
    • You file suit against the mall rent-a-cops for posting signs stating that your bags are subject to inspection.
    • You've ever argued that "you can't legislate morality".
    • Referred to the Founding Fathers as "those aristocratic, chauvinistic, lily white, slave owning, land stealing oppressors of indigenous personnel".

    nice...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sin
    lets not forget that regan quadrupled the federal deficit, and bush has now doubled it again. the inflation resulting from this took more money away from you than anything else in the last twenty five years.
    There's a political talk show here (MI) every sunday night on the radio, and he basically put out a challenge to anyone out there to name one good thing reagan did cause he could not think of a single thing, well 2 shows later, and some people called in but no one could do it, one guy said well when i was in the military and he raised our salaries, but then of course he cut their veterans benefits. So just something to thnk about.

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    He legislated the Air Traffic Controllers back to work. Those who declined lost ther jobs, as it should be. Unions sack big, fat, hairy, smelly wanker and it's nice when politicians have the sack to step up to the plate against them.

    Quote Originally Posted by saboudian
    There's a political talk show here (MI) every sunday night on the radio, and he basically put out a challenge to anyone out there to name one good thing reagan did cause he could not think of a single thing, well 2 shows later, and some people called in but no one could do it, one guy said well when i was in the military and he raised our salaries, but then of course he cut their veterans benefits. So just something to thnk about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Martha
    This is a debate that me and a dem friend of mine always have. Raise my taxes and I pay more. Dems. Raise the deficit and I pay more. Republicans. No changing any of it, I will always pay more. My beliefs still lie with republican party social beliefs. Dems and Republicans **** me on my money every time. I just rather my money go where the republicans are putting it.
    this is where you and i differ. i dont have any party affiliation, i just want my money. the repubs come off as the party that looks out for the money of the common man, but i dont think there are facts to back that up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saboudian
    There's a political talk show here (MI) every sunday night on the radio, and he basically put out a challenge to anyone out there to name one good thing reagan did cause he could not think of a single thing, well 2 shows later, and some people called in but no one could do it, one guy said well when i was in the military and he raised our salaries, but then of course he cut their veterans benefits. So just something to thnk about.
    sadly i think that no one care about facts like this. when people think of regan they see the smiling grandfather that they want to be in control of the country, facts be ****ed. thats why i think politics in general are a joke in this country, people get so caught up in appearance and sound byte politics that truth means nothing and everything ends up coming down to belief.

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    Chances are that many of you are not old enough to remember the sad, depressive state of the union when Jimmy Carter reigned over 22-25% interest rates, inflation out the gazoo, a national defeatist attitude which was reflected by Carter's "malaise" comments, giving away the Panama canal, failure to rescue American hostages held for more than a year by the fanatical Iranians, etc. etc.

    President Reagan succeeded almost immediately in restoring confidence and a "can-do" attitude in the American people; the hostages were released on the day of his inauguration (could it be that his vow to free them one way or another was heard by the Ayatollah (sp); he succeeded in massive and decisive legislation during his first 100 days (dragging the kicking and screaming Dems along) including significant tax cuts that resulted in one of the biggest economic turnarounds in U.S. history; he gave new inspired leadership to our military leaders by funding a military buildup that followed Teddy Roosevelt's doctrine of "walk softly, but carry a big stick"; and, oh by the way, was almost single-handedly responsible for the capitulation and breakup of the world's big bully - the USSR - and the tearing down of the "Iron Curtain" that had existed since the end of World War II. His dogged determination in sticking to his principles, regardless of criticism from any source, gave his adversarys heartburn and his boundless enthusiasm prevailed in making our country and the world a better place.

    You are blessed to be enjoying the fruits of his labor. We do not live in a perfect world where there is always a "right" way and there are never any negative consequences. So critics can always single out isolated examples where something did not work out perfectly and use that to try to justify their viewpoint. Such as the jerks who say "yeah, but he murdered thousands of people because he didn't do enough about AIDS" Such b.s.

    Our nation just honored President Reagan with a week of observances that befit a great leader. Our citizens were motivated by the man's works, not just his good humor, or obvious strong moral character, but of the overall good that his efforts created for our country at a critical time in our history.

    Name two good things? Ignorance of facts and history can be the only explanation for someone asking such a thing. Of course, I am not surprised to learn that it probably comes from that segment of society that knows so little about the true history of our country; such as the more than half who did not even know who our enemy was in WWII, according to a recent survey. Hitler, Mussolini, and Hirohito meant nothing to them; but you can bet your a*s they know the politically correct subjects being espoused by the leftist crowd.

    Yeah, I guess there is an explanation why the show's listeners didn't know enough to call after all. Could it be that those who know the answers wouldn't be listening to this joke of a show to start with?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chicamahomico
    He legislated the Air Traffic Controllers back to work. Those who declined lost ther jobs, as it should be. Unions sack big, fat, hairy, smelly wanker and it's nice when politicians have the sack to step up to the plate against them.
    Well, it sucks to have been an Air Traffic Controller back then like our neighbor across the street. After he lost his job he couldn't find work and ended up having to sell their house and move his family to another state. Yeah, Go Reagan!

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    Quote Originally Posted by chicamahomico
    He legislated the Air Traffic Controllers back to work. Those who declined lost ther jobs, as it should be. Unions sack big, fat, hairy, smelly wanker and it's nice when politicians have the sack to step up to the plate against them.
    I'm on your side on this one dude. I think people here get the impression that I'm some leftist, commie, liberal, but that ain't necessarily the case. I have different views on different topics - left and right.

    And I HATE unions. I believe they had they time and place, but thattime and place isn't North America in 2004. Too many of them are too powerful.

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