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Learn these facts to properly debate
our poor misguided friends &
family before election time !!!

There were 39 combat related killings
in Iraq during the month of January.....
In the fair city of Detroit there were
35 murders in the month of January.

That's just one American city,
Iraq.

When some claim President Bush shouldn't
have started this war, state the following ..

FDR...
led us into World War II.
Germany never attacked us: Japan did.
From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost,
an average of 112,500 per year.

Truman...
finished that war and started one in Korea,
North Korea never attacked us.
From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost,
an average of 18,334 per year.

John F. Kennedy...
started the Vietnam conflict in 1962.
Vietnam never attacked us.

Johnson...
turned Vietnam into a quagmire.
From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost,
an average of 5,800 per year

Clinton...
went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent,
Bosnia never attacked us.
three times by Sudan and did nothing.
Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions.

In the two years since terrorists attacked us
President Bush has ...
liberated two countries,
crushed the Taliban,
crippled al-Qaida,
put nuclear inspectors in Libya,
Iran and North Korea
without firing a shot,
and captured a terrorist who slaughtered
300,000 of his own people.

The Democrats are complaining
about how long the war is taking, but..
It took less time to take Iraq
than it took Janet Reno to take the
Branch Davidian compo! und.
That was a 51 day operation.

We've been looking for evidence of
chemical weapons in Iraq for less
time than it took Hillary Clinton to
find the Rose Law Firm billing records.

It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division
and the Marines to destroy the Medina
Republican Guard than it took Ted Kennedy to
call the police after his Oldsmobile
sank at Chappaquiddick.

It took less time to take Iraq than it took
to count the votes in Florida!!!!

Our Commander-In-Chief is doing a GREAT JOB!
The Military moral is high!

The biased media hopes we are too ignorant to realize
the facts.

2. that was one of the best reads i have ever read. never knew all that stuff.

3. its true america is just as violent as the rest of the world, but its more for greed and things like that, not ill will toward ppl who are different.. great post though

4. Awesome post screw anyone who doesn't agree. (My opinion)

5. ## Well said

Took less time to drag Sadam Husain from a spider hole then to read this cool post.

6. yea this post was very very informative

7. Originally Posted by singern
Took less time to drag Sadam Husain from a spider hole then to read this cool post.

lol...thats good...

8. great post.

9. Originally Posted by 1victor
Awesome post screw anyone who doesn't agree. (My opinion)

10. good info

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Very good post DDB.

12. Originally Posted by diablo27185
Just right wing propaganda.
Whether it's propaganda depends on your point of view. I see it as just stating the facts in relation to each other.

Originally Posted by diablo27185
Where does it state all the innocent lives that were taken in iraq because of this war on oil?
And the hundres of thousands of lives that were murdered by the past regime? Where were you on that one?
Last edited by Symian; 07-01-2004 at 07:43 AM.

13. where's cyclone?!

14. Originally Posted by diablo27185
And plus, we i dont think we should be fighting any ****ing war until we fight the war on the streets of this country. What about all these people getting killed in our own country. The gangs, the murderers, rapists etc.... I think until we fix our own problems we shjould stay out of other peoples.

I just winked at your girlfriend.

15. Originally Posted by Martha
I just winked at your girlfriend.

with his anus!@

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35 murders in Detroit most were probably drug related or brought on by the victoms. The amount of Americans living in Detroit is far more than the amount in Iraq so the numbers are inacurate. War also affects ppl in other ways besides being killed, many vets of war descibe it as hell. If all those troops were home there still would have been 35 murders in Detroit and none in Iraq. The Germans planned to come for us eventually as did Iraq but the Germans were getting much closer to their goal. Wars will happen though, they are inevitable, history has prooved this.

18. lefts and rights are never going to get along

19. Originally Posted by diablo27185
I love this ****ing crap, Germans did'nt attack us blah blah blah, WHAT ABOUT THE ****ING HOLOCAUST!??!!!?? Im seriously getting sick of this **** these are NOT! the facts. Japan Bombed our largest naval facility at Pearl Harbor. But i guess that was'nt justified either.
Settle down there, fancy pants. First, what are you talking about? The Holocaust wasn't an attack on the US. And the bombing of Pearl Harbor wasn't justified. They just wanted to cripple us before our inevitable entry into the war.

Originally Posted by diablo27185
And plus, we i dont think we should be fighting any ****ing war until we fight the war on the streets of this country. What about all these people getting killed in our own country. The gangs, the murderers, rapists etc.... I think until we fix our own problems we shjould stay out of other peoples.
That would be nice, but that is also is a naive statement. I don't know you, but I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that I think that you have absolutely no clue on how the world works. I wish we could close the boarders and leave the rest of the world to itself. Hell, let 'em all blow themselves to pieces. I'm with you on this one, but it can't and will never happen.

How old are you?

20. Thats great Bush helped all those other countries but what has he done for us?

21. Originally Posted by diablo27185
Ok, first off we have spent more money on war since the 2000 elections then on education. I think if we spent more money on education we could help eliminate some crime. There are many more things we can spend our tax money on then a ****ing war that we have no business fighting. All of this could help our country.
So I guess the war in Afganistan after 9/11 was a waste of money, huh? Ok. Lets stop spending money on intellegence and the military, and when the terroists, Saddam, Kim Jong Il, or Iran who was left unchecked by anyone because we didn't care, come and unleash some unGodly event upon us we can sit back and say, "well, our children are well educated...but thier all dead". I know that example is a little extreme, but it's what you want.

If not, do you think war is necessary?

22. Originally Posted by Lozgod
Thats great Bush helped all those other countries but what has he done for us?
"Ask not what your country can do for you, but what YOU can do for your country" JFK

Why is it that liberals are so dependant on government? They want government to do everything for them. Medicine, education, healthcare, welfare, socialized housing projects...........WTF?!!!! Get off your a$$and do it yourself! What has BUSH done for this country? What have YOU done for this country? 23. Originally Posted by ntwrk "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what YOU can do for your country" JFK Why is it that liberals are so dependant on government? They want government to do everything for them. Medicine, education, healthcare, welfare, socialized housing projects...........WTF?!!!! Get off your a$$ and do it yourself! What has BUSH done for this country? What have YOU done for this country?

I like this guy!

24. Originally Posted by ntwrk
"Ask not what your country can do for you, but what YOU can do for your country" JFK

Why is it that liberals are so dependant on government? They want government to do everything for them. Medicine, education, healthcare, welfare, socialized housing projects...........WTF?!!!! Get off your a$$and do it yourself! What has BUSH done for this country? What have YOU done for this country? Oh yeah sure. I'll go give everyone that can't work healthcare, I'll make sure old people can pay for their perscriptions, I'll make sure the rich dont pay less taxes than the poor. Hmmmm, whatelse can I do???????? 25. Associate Member Join Date May 2004 Posts 231 Originally Posted by ntwrk "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what YOU can do for your country" JFK Why is it that liberals are so dependant on government? They want government to do everything for them. Medicine, education, healthcare, welfare, socialized housing projects...........WTF?!!!! Get off your a$$ and do it yourself! What has BUSH done for this country? What have YOU done for this country?
His job as president is to do stuff for us thats why we pay taxes. and dont act like conservatives and republicans dont ask for stuff from their country. They want everything to benefit themselves, even if it hurts other ppl, "We can afford to go to private schools, buy healthcare, etc. so Fuk public education, medicare, and welfare." If the republicans had thier way, everyone not white, christian, rich, mainstream, and straight would be killed off.

26. Originally Posted by medic23
His job as president is to do stuff for us thats why we pay taxes. and dont act like conservatives and republicans dont ask for stuff from their country. They want everything to benefit themselves, even if it hurts other ppl, "We can afford to go to private schools, buy healthcare, etc. so Fuk public education, medicare, and welfare." If the republicans had thier way, everyone not white, christian, rich, mainstream, and straight would be killed off.
FINALLLY someone with some sense.

27. Originally Posted by Lozgod
Oh yeah sure. I'll go give everyone that can't work healthcare, I'll make sure old people can pay for their perscriptions, I'll make sure the rich dont pay less taxes than the poor. Hmmmm, whatelse can I do????????
"Everyone that can't work" Let me ask you something. What happened to those that "couldn't work" before socialism reared its ugly head in our governemnt? I'll tell you what. The community and their families took care of them and that individual did EVERYTHING in their power to survive......
"Rich pay LESS taxes than the poor" Are you nuts? Less taxes? Have you ever even looked over the tax brackets? Do you realize the top 5 percent of income earners (Currently you have to make roughly $120,000+/yr for this bracket)pay more than 55 percent of the total federal income taxes.Tell you what; you visit this site: http://partners.financenter.com/abcn...taxbracket.fcs and stop listening to all that liberal\socialist\communist garbage you have been fed in your Poli Sci classes, then come back and tell me the rich still pay LESS taxes than the poor. "I'll make sure old people can pay for their perscriptions" One reason perscription drugs are at the price they are is because of socialized medicine. Why do you think the drug companies lobby so hard in congress? Its money to them. Why sell a pill to a private individual using their own money for$1, when you can influence the government, through lobbying, to pass bills requiring that that same government pay for the same pill for that same person, that you are now selling for $5? Its guarenteed money. Huge money. I didn't ask you to solve the nations woes. I asked what you had done for this country. What single thing, single god**** thing have you done for this country. You sit and type your liberal analysis of a government that you know nothing about. Last edited by ntwrk; 07-01-2004 at 05:29 PM. 28. Originally Posted by diablo27185 Who says we live in housing projects, on welfare? Who ever said we dont pay our own healthcare & medicine? You should shut the **** up, you sound like a ****in idiot. First off, I never said YOU live in housing projects. I never said YOU don't pay your own healthcare. I never said YOU don't pay for your medicine. I said LIBERALS, not Democrats mind you, LIBERALS want the government to provide such things for them. Its socialism. Its communism. Its Marxism. Guess what other countries follow those same policies. Russia (USSR), Korea, China, Canada (sort of ), India, I could go on and on. Do you really wand America to immitate those governments? BTW. I tried to be respectful of you. I tried not to diminish your persona by name calling. I'd like the same respect shown to me. 29. Associate Member Join Date May 2004 Posts 231 Originally Posted by ntwrk "Everyone that can't work" Let me ask you something. What happened to those the "couldn't work" before socialism reared its ugly head in our governemnt? I'll tell you what. The community and their families took care of them and that individual did EVERYTHING in their power to survive...... "Rich pay LESS taxes than the poor" Are you nuts? Less taxes? Have you ever even looked over the tax brackets? Do you realize the top 5 percent of income earners (Currently you have to make roughly$120,000/yr for this bracket)pay more than 55 percent of the total federal income taxes.Tell you what; you visit this site: http://partners.financenter.com/abcn...taxbracket.fcs and stop listening to all that liberal\socialist\communist garbage you have been fed in your Poli Sci classes, then come back and tell me the rich still pay LESS taxes than the poor.
"I'll make sure old people can pay for their perscriptions" One reason perscription drugs are at the price they are is because of socialized medicine. Why do you think the drug companies lobby so hard in congress? Its money to them. Why sell a pill to a private individual using their own money for $1, when you can influence the government, through lobbying, to pass bills requiring that that same government pay for the same pill for that same person, that you are now selling for$5? Its guarenteed money. Huge money.
I didn't ask you to solve the nations woes. I asked what you had done for this country. What single thing, single god**** thing have you done for this country. You sit and type your liberal analysis of a government that you know nothing about.
I'll tell you one thing I do, I'm a FF/paramedic who depends on overtime to survive but when bush has his way and gets 60 hour work weeks so the rich make more and the lower and middle classes make less that will all change. Thanks pres, good luck in your next election

30. There are people that get up at 7 am or whatever time, go to work, 8 hours later they go to their next job, so they can feed their kids. Lets say this person is a single mother. So thats 16 hours a day that she isnt home supervising her kids, they are being educated by the street, they grow up to do what they were taught "at home". Ill find a link on tax brackets, and we'll see who pays the most percentage wise. Any stupid retarded idiot (I am sure you fall in to some category higher than that, I hope so anyway) knows that if you are an owner of a corporation you pay a lot of your personal expenses disguised as company expenses before you pay taxes. However if you are poor and have kids to support you pay 30% of your check to taxes before paying your rent, electric, poison processed affordable foods, and other bills, just to be broke until your next check. I am glad I grew up the way I did I would hate to be as blind as you. or in denial whatever you want to call it.

Originally Posted by ntwrk
"Everyone that can't work" Let me ask you something. What happened to those that "couldn't work" before socialism reared its ugly head in our governemnt? I'll tell you what. The community and their families took care of them and that individual did EVERYTHING in their power to survive......
"Rich pay LESS taxes than the poor" Are you nuts? Less taxes? Have you ever even looked over the tax brackets? Do you realize the top 5 percent of income earners (Currently you have to make roughly $120,000+/yr for this bracket)pay more than 55 percent of the total federal income taxes.Tell you what; you visit this site: http://partners.financenter.com/abcn...taxbracket.fcs and stop listening to all that liberal\socialist\communist garbage you have been fed in your Poli Sci classes, then come back and tell me the rich still pay LESS taxes than the poor. "I'll make sure old people can pay for their perscriptions" One reason perscription drugs are at the price they are is because of socialized medicine. Why do you think the drug companies lobby so hard in congress? Its money to them. Why sell a pill to a private individual using their own money for$1, when you can influence the government, through lobbying, to pass bills requiring that that same government pay for the same pill for that same person, that you are now selling for \$5? Its guarenteed money. Huge money.
I didn't ask you to solve the nations woes. I asked what you had done for this country. What single thing, single god**** thing have you done for this country. You sit and type your liberal analysis of a government that you know nothing about.

31. Originally Posted by ntwrk
Tell you what; you visit this site: http://partners.financenter.com/abcn...taxbracket.fcs and stop listening to all that liberal\socialist\communist garbage you have been fed in your Poli Sci classes, then come back and tell me the rich still pay LESS taxes than the poor.
That link is for a proposed tax rate system.

32. Originally Posted by medic23
His job as president is to do stuff for us thats why we pay taxes. and dont act like conservatives and republicans dont ask for stuff from their country. They want everything to benefit themselves, even if it hurts other ppl, "We can afford to go to private schools, buy healthcare, etc. so Fuk public education, medicare, and welfare." If the republicans had thier way, everyone not white, christian, rich, mainstream, and straight would be killed off.
I completely agree with your point that Republicans ask for government help; they do. Republicans of today are the democrats of the 60's. But the Democrats of today are the communists of the 60's. If I remember correctly, healthcare bennifits are manditory for full-time employees of a company? Am I wrong on this? So where's the problem? I don't work a plush job and I have healthcare. So why should we be so concerned if the person who CHOOSES to only work part-time doesn't have healthcare............

33. Originally Posted by Lozgod
That link is for a proposed tax rate system.
You're wrong. Please re-read the following quote from the above referenced site: "The following tables show the cutoff points in taxable income for 2003 that mark each income tax bracket:"

34. Originally Posted by ntwrk
You're wrong. Please re-read the following quote from the above referenced site: "The following tables show the cutoff points in taxable income for 2003 that mark each income tax bracket:"
Your right I see that now. However the way to get around taxes is to incorporate, and the rich do it, the poor cant.

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Originally Posted by ntwrk
I completely agree with your point that Republicans ask for government help; they do. Republicans of today are the democrats of the 60's. But the Democrats of today are the communists of the 60's. If I remember correctly, healthcare bennifits are manditory for full-time employees of a company? Am I wrong on this? So where's the problem? I don't work a plush job and I have healthcare. So why should we be so concerned if the person who CHOOSES to only work part-time doesn't have healthcare............
Maybe but the republicans of today are the nazis of the 30's and I choose the lesser of the 2 evils. Also only some of the ppl who work part time choose to do so. Many are kept there for the company's financial gain and many others have different reasons such as going to school to one day move on or taking care of a family.

36. Originally Posted by Lozgod
There are people that get up at 7 am or whatever time, go to work, 8 hours later they go to their next job, so they can feed their kids. Lets say this person is a single mother. So thats 16 hours a day that she isnt home supervising her kids, they are being educated by the street, they grow up to do what they were taught "at home". Ill find a link on tax brackets, and we'll see who pays the most percentage wise. Any stupid retarded idiot (I am sure you fall in to some category higher than that, I hope so anyway) knows that if you are an owner of a corporation you pay a lot of your personal expenses disguised as company expenses before you pay taxes. However if you are poor and have kids to support you pay 30% of your check to taxes before paying your rent, electric, poison processed affordable foods, and other bills, just to be broke until your next check. I am glad I grew up the way I did I would hate to be as blind as you. or in denial whatever you want to call it.
OK. Here's the deal. I am married. I have 2 children. My wife is a stay-at-home mother. I work 14 hours a day. I go to school. I fall within the 25% tax bracket. I bust my motherfuking a$$day in and day out so that I can provide a decent life for my family. I grew up in a situation where I had a single mother, and then a step-father, and then single-mother, no money, living in a low-rent district, public schools, gangs, drugs, you name it. But I saw what I HAD TO DO to get out of that situation. And you have the fuking NERVE to call me blind\in denial or what ever you what to call it? You have no idea of what you are talking about. 37. Originally Posted by ntwrk If I remember correctly, healthcare bennifits are manditory for full-time employees of a company? Am I wrong on this? Not true. 38. Not calling you a liar, but every rich kid I meet that we have this discussion they lie and say that. It's so easily said but that doesn't make it true. Originally Posted by ntwrk OK. Here's the deal. I am married. I have 2 children. My wife is a stay-at-home mother. I work 14 hours a day. I go to school. I fall within the 25% tax bracket. I bust my motherfuking a$$ day in and day out so that I can provide a decent life for my family. I grew up in a situation where I had a single mother, and then a step-father, and then single-mother, no money, living in a low-rent district, public schools, gangs, drugs, you name it. But I saw what I HAD TO DO to get out of that situation. And you have the fuking NERVE to call me blind\in denial or what ever you what to call it? You have no idea of what you are talking about.

40. Originally Posted by diablo27185
I seriously dont believe any of this.
You're choice. I'm sorry that you don't I don't believe that I deserve your distrust, but............you're choice.

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