Thread: God I love irish justice!!!!
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07-31-2004, 11:21 AM #1
God I love irish justice!!!!
We regularely have cases like that here in Canada where youth offenders get off with a few months in juvy-detention or probation. A real slap on the wrist. No wonder our youth offenders laugh at the cops.
We even had a case a few years ago where 3 teens robbed, raped (the wife) and viciously murdered an anglican priest and his wife with a baseball bat and a broken bottle and all they got was a bit of time in juvy detention.
http://www.rte.ie/news/2004/0730/clare.html
Youths sentenced following Co Clare rape
30 July 2004 22:19
Four teenage boys, who gang raped a woman after locking her boyfriend in the boot of his car, have been given sentences ranging from four to ten years.
The boys carried out the attack after coming upon the couple in Cratloe in Co Clare last January.
Thomas O'Neill, 16, from Lenihan Avenue was detained for ten years. Dean Barry from Garryglass, Ballinacurra Weston, was sentenced to nine years and Darragh Ryan, aged 16 and also from Lenihan Avenue, was detained for eight years.
The fourth teenager, Jason Ring, who is 15 and from Crecora Avenue in Ballinacurra, was detained for four years.
The 16-year-olds will serve their detention in St Patrick's Institution while Ring will be detained at Trinity House.
While imposing the sentences, Mr Justice Paul Carney said that the case was so serious and so unique that he would not be taking sole personal responsibility for how it is dealt with.
He granted leave to appeal, which will enable three judges of the Court of Criminal Appeal to have an input into the case at a later date.
Canada could learn a thing or two on the treatment of youth offenders from Ireland...
Red
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07-31-2004, 12:17 PM #2LM1332 Guest
well if you do it once youll do it again. TO make sure its fixed lock those bastards ups with chain gangs inforced
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07-31-2004, 12:32 PM #3
bouncer where are you????????
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07-31-2004, 01:09 PM #4
Shame the death penalty is out huh?
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07-31-2004, 01:18 PM #5Originally Posted by BamaSlamma
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07-31-2004, 01:38 PM #6
The thing id most guys on this board (my02) wouldn't have that for justice. If someone did that to my family God have Mercy on my Soul, I would find a way to slaughter them.
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07-31-2004, 02:39 PM #7
mercy does not apply. they deserve the wrath of the families.
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07-31-2004, 03:03 PM #8
I think they should have gotten a much harsher penalty. Hopefully a little 'prison justice' will prevail.....I heard that sex offenders are much more likely to be raped in prison.
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07-31-2004, 03:16 PM #9Originally Posted by UrbanLegend
We should ask lozgod. I think he was in the big house.
These types of crimes make me sick.
-B
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07-31-2004, 03:20 PM #10Originally Posted by UrbanLegend
In this country you can literally get away with murder if you're under 18. You get months, not years in detention. Thats why those Irish 4-10 years sentences impress me a lot.
Red
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07-31-2004, 03:34 PM #11Retired Vet
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Originally Posted by Red Ketchup
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07-31-2004, 04:04 PM #12Originally Posted by Red Ketchup
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07-31-2004, 04:09 PM #13Retired Vet
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Originally Posted by PrairieDawg
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07-31-2004, 04:14 PM #14Originally Posted by Blown_SC
even that fat dude (wtf was his name?) that got out recently was a serial rapist and I thought I heard him and his wife killed someone too. well he got out before they found a reason to put him back in and his wife is out soon. how the fuk does that happen? I dont think he was in jail for more than 4 years.
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All I have to say PD is Paul Fukn Bernardo! Nuf said, that fukr should have been killed.
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07-31-2004, 07:35 PM #16Originally Posted by Blown_SC
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07-31-2004, 09:11 PM #17
that sucks, poor girl, poor guy, they're whole lives will change forever
those guys should be at the mercy of the population, society in this case is protecting them through prison - i guess everyone has their rights
good job on ireland for long sentences, and your right, sex offenders get much less respect in prisons by there fellow cons
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07-31-2004, 09:34 PM #18
aye nonses get the protected wing - the fckin screws love them and they get all the cushti suites. respectable crims never lower themselves to speak to slags and nonses except when having a go. any opportunity to mash a protected wing fck and you bet your bottom dollar it will happen.
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07-31-2004, 09:51 PM #19Originally Posted by skinjob
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07-31-2004, 11:57 PM #20Retired Vet
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Originally Posted by PrairieDawg
What a POS...utter waste of air....
I would rather slaughter him, and use his parts to give life to people who deserve life...
Sorry for my rant...
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08-01-2004, 12:49 AM #21
"But still homey keep it real, how does it feel
to lose your life, over somethin that you did as a kid?
You all alone, no communication,
block on the phone
Don't get along with yo' pop, and plus your moms is gone
Where did we go wrong?"
-Tupac
I think its very wrong that these kids were prosecuted and had to go through that terrible trial by the DA and the judge actually had the mind to give them those sentences. They're just kids, they don't know what they're doing. Its probably the parents' fault or the teachers for not doing a very good job of educating them, you are a product of your enviroment, right?
This is a sad day for the youth of Ireland,
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08-01-2004, 12:51 AM #22
Now, c'mon, tell me you didn't believe that Bullsh!t, LOL.
Just yankin your chain Red. Good sentences for the kids, shouldn't be quite as strong as adults but strong enough to cause change hopefully, to them, and other kids.
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08-01-2004, 12:54 AM #23Originally Posted by saboudian
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08-01-2004, 12:55 AM #24Originally Posted by Blown_SC
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08-01-2004, 01:27 AM #25Retired Vet
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Originally Posted by PrairieDawg
That slut Karla Homolka will get out in 2005 though...
What's truly sickening is that Karla Homolka's IQ is in the top 2 per cent of intelligent beings in the universe. (seriously, used in trial)...PROOF
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Originally Posted by saboudian
If they do an adults crime let them do adults time. They stood trial in an adults court so they were liable for life sentences but never got them. Time for rape here in Ireland is life. Sounds great doesn't it?, except that most lifer's here won't do more than 5-10 yrs. A 10 yr sentence here in Ireland probably means 3 1/2 yrs at most! serious the justice system here is a joke.
Another case in the media here at the moment involves a father who beat up his three children (ages from 2-10). After first beating the 10yr old boy with his leather belt (naked) the father cut a lenght of electrical flex from the kids bedside lamp and whipped the poor child with it. The he went after the other two children, finished with them, went back to the 10 yr old (who was hiding under the bed at this stage) flipped the bed over and continued the beating. I'll try find a link to the story, the ba$tard got only 7 yrs in prison. He had 20 privious convictions, including assault and one for man slaughter, and just just 7 fvcking yrs. makes my blood boil.
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Originally Posted by BOUNCER
I think alot of countries are like this though, don't you agree?
I feel this is one area that our world has not pregressed in...
I still believe in an-eye-for-an-eye.....
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08-01-2004, 04:50 AM #28
That **** really makes me angry bouncer. Guess the guy thinks he is some kind of tough guy beating on three kids- id like to see him try any of that **** on someone his on age. He is just a coward. Rapists, child molesters, paedophiles and child abusers should all get the death penalty imo. That would soon sort them out
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08-01-2004, 08:23 PM #29Originally Posted by BOUNCER
But for minors to get 10 years here is completely unheard of... as I said here they usually get a slap on the wrist few months at a glorified sleepaway camp... in Canada, minors DO get away with murder.
Red
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08-01-2004, 10:04 PM #30
Tho I agree with you guys in that criminal incarcerations are not lengthy enough and convincts currently serving time have way to many rights, IMO your reasoning is somewhat flawed.
This is a commonly stated twist on words which is often propogated by persons with little understanding of the legal system in Canada. That's simply not how it works.
Originally Posted by Red Ketchup
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08-01-2004, 10:28 PM #31Originally Posted by chicamahomico
Red
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08-02-2004, 12:39 AM #32AnabolicAlien Guest
hehe...
my uncle is the most hated man in county cavan in ireland... he's the chief of police there.
A.A.
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08-02-2004, 12:42 AM #33Originally Posted by chicamahomico
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Originally Posted by AnabolicAlien
Never heard of one of those here.
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Originally Posted by chicamahomico
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08-02-2004, 04:05 AM #36
I mean the legal system not corrections.
Originally Posted by Red Ketchup
1.) Incarceration -- spent behind bars.
2.) Integration into society -- think halfway house or similar arrangement.
3.) Full integration into society -- probationary period, under supervison of a social worker and/or probation officer.
I'm not saying criminals should spend less time in jail, I'm saying that IMO the entire sentence should be significntly longer.
Originally Posted by BOUNCER
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08-02-2004, 04:27 AM #37Originally Posted by chicamahomico
Yes, I have worked in the belly of the Correctional beast.
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08-02-2004, 08:20 AM #38
just castrate the little POS....works for me...
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08-02-2004, 09:31 AM #39Originally Posted by chicamahomico
And you forgot one small (but important detail)
Pre sentencing time served...
The time spent in a provincial jail awaiting your trial/sentencing which counts as double time off your final sentence.
So you get 6 years you should go to a fed-pen right?
But oops you spent 2 years in jail awaiting trial and sentencing... counts as double time so you have 2 year left of your time left to do... well, off you go to a provincial jail and are "out" in less than 1 year and you avoid the more severe federal system. Thats unfortunately quite common.
Red
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08-02-2004, 10:38 AM #40AnabolicAlien Guest
bouncer...
hey bouncer!
well as you know it's called "the guarda" over there. i guess he's like in charge of a bunch of other officers. not really sure what his title is. i have other family members over there in law enforcement too. they tell me they can't even carry guns.
i should be going to ireland again within a few months. can't wait!
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