Thread: This is great! A must read....
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08-31-2004, 09:33 AM #1
This is great! A must read....
You may recall, the Aladdin Casino in Las Vegas "tossed out" Linda Ronstadt for her anti American stance while performing. This caused Michael Moore to send a strong letter of complaint to the President of the Aladddin.
Here is his letter, and then the reply from Mr. Timmins -
As you most likely know, Michael Moore posted the following letter: After the letter, you will find the response... PLEASE READ MR. TIMMINS RESPONSE. IT IS EXCELLENT. KUDOS TO MR. TIMMINS!
Bill Timmins President Aladdin Casino and Hotel Las Vegas, NV
July 20, 2004
Dear Mr. Timmins:
I understand from the news reports I've read that, after Linda Ronstadt, one of America's greatest singers, dedicated a song to me from your stage on Saturday night, you instructed your security guards to remove her from the Aladdin, which they did.
What country do you live in? Last time I checked, Las Vegas is still in the United States. And in the United States, we have something called "The First Amendment." This constitutional right gives everyone here the right to say whatever they want to say. All Americans hold this right as sacred. Many of our young people put on a uniform and risk their lives to defend it. My film is all about asking the questions that should have been asked before those brave soldiers were sent into harms way.
For you to throw Linda Ronstadt off the premises because she dared to say a few words in support of me and my film, is simply stupid and Un-American. Frankly, I have never heard of such a thing happening. I read that you wouldn't even let her go back up to her room at your hotel! Are you crazy? For crying out loud, it was a song DEDICATION! To "Desperado!" Every American loves that song! Sure, some people didn't like the dedication, and that's their right. But neither they nor you have the right to remove her from your building when all she did was exercise her AMERICAN right to speak her mind.
Of all the things that go on in Las Vegas, this is what creates the need for serious action? What about the other half of the crowd at the Aladdin who, according to the Las Vegas Sun, cheered her when she made her remarks? Did you throw them out, too?
I think you owe Ms. Ronstadt an apology. And I have an idea how you can make it up to her -- and to the millions of Americans you have offended. Invite her back and I'll join her in singing "America the Beautiful" on your stage. Then I will show "Fahrenheit 9/11" free of charge to all your guests and anyone else in Las Vegas who wants to see it.
Mr. Timmins, as the song "Desperado" says -- "Come to your senses!" How can you refuse this offer? I await your reply.
Yours, Michael Moore Director, "Fahrenheit 9/11"
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Response
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July 21, 2004
Attention: Michael Moore,
In response to your letter dated July 20, 2004: You are correct that I had security remove Linda Ronstadt from Aladdin Casino and Hotel where the fun never ends and everybody wins.
How very interesting to learn you are such a fan of Ms. Ronstadt. You questioned where I live and surprisingly knew Las Vegas is in the UnitedStates. You should visit it sometime. There are thousands of wonderful 'All You Can Eat' buffets.
There are also a lot of casinos who's owners don't **** around. I am aware of the First Amendment and you have the right to talk about your hatred of America but once you are on my property and you are upsetting my guests, you will quickly learn about my rights.
I can't remember if it was Jesus or George W. Bush that said, "Freedom is a two-way street." Ms. Ronstadt learned this long before I had her thrown out of my casino. You question my actions? If you come onto my property and upset my guests, you will receive the same, if not worse, treatment than Ms. Ronstadt received. I am sure your mere presence would upset my guests.
You claim your film, "...is all about asking the questions that should have been asked before those brave soldiers were sent into harms way." I think your film does nothing but aid the enemy and hurt our troops. You have betrayed our troops, our leader and America. I have no respect for you or your vision of what America should be.
I paid Ms. Ronstadt to entertain my guests, not divide them. The half that did not leave probably thought the verse you mentioned, "Why don't you come to your senses" was addressed to you. Maybe she should have dedicated her song, 'You're No Good' to you. I would have asked her back, had she done that.
Regarding your request for me to apologize to her, have you and her on my stage singing anything about this Country and then playing your piece of **** film is ludicrous!
One of my workers is currently throwing away every complaint letter from brainless followers of you, claiming they will never visit my Casino. I could not be more pleased to know my casino and hotel will always be void of the kind of people who support you. Meanwhile, my hotel has been quickly booked solid for the rest of the year with true Americans who love this Country and support our efforts overseas.
They will see a framed copy of your letter and my response in the lobby to ensure they begin their experience with a laugh.
Sincerely,
Bill Timmins President Aladdin Casino and Hotel Las Vegas, NV
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08-31-2004, 09:39 AM #2
Beautiful!!! Absolutely beautiful!!!!
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08-31-2004, 10:11 AM #3
wow, hell of a response from timmins
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08-31-2004, 10:25 AM #4
I love it,
however from what I read, it is a hoax.....
http://urbanlegends.about.com/librar...vs_timmins.htm
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08-31-2004, 10:28 AM #5
Lol that response was awesome.
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08-31-2004, 10:34 AM #6
'All You Can Eat' buffets
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08-31-2004, 10:39 AM #7Originally Posted by Bigen12
It says the letter from Moore is legitiamte though (it is even on his own website).....arrogant puke fuker.
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08-31-2004, 10:41 AM #8
that was great. kudos to mr timmins
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08-31-2004, 10:47 AM #9
That was awsome, thanks for sharing, gotta love a guy who tells it like it is sam! And respect him for not showing favoritism, to a celeb with a large following, he had the brass to toss her out, and not care whether or not her supporters return.
Nice to see his class, and love of country outshines, the greed that most, or many hide their convictions behind. Some people will endure almost anything, and hold their tongues, just for the sake of making the allmighty dollar! It's good to see there are still a few good men, who will sacrifice a few bucks and stand up for what they believe in!
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08-31-2004, 10:52 AM #10
i would love to shake Mr. Timmins' hand, that was awesome.
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08-31-2004, 10:56 AM #11
She dedicated a song to Michael Moore, whats the big deal?
This crap wouldn't have happened if she dedicated it to Bush.
I would guess the response is a hoax, but the response is still very poor, I don't understand why everyone is praising when it is so dumb.
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08-31-2004, 11:36 AM #12
That was a great read.. I hate Michael Moore hes such a fat ass slob waste of life and space. Timmins' response was very good and he couldn't be more right. Michael Moore is a disgrace.. if you hate this country and the president... get the **** out.
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08-31-2004, 11:40 AM #13
Good read..I hope that it is true.
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08-31-2004, 11:44 AM #14Originally Posted by saboudian
And even as much as you dislike Bush, he is still the president and the leader of this country like it or not, and for someone, anyone to publicly, slander him, it just doesn't set well with those of us who support our country, and the leaders of it.
She is entitled to her opinion, and in most cases should be allowed to speak it freely, but she's going against those who fight past present and future to allow her that right. She excercised her right to freedom of speach, and he excercised his right as the owner of the hotel,club, whatever to have her removed. I give him props for being so bold as to not be intimidated by her public image , and doing so.
You found it dumb, I found it refreshing, and guess what we are both entitled to our opinions, I'm sure I won't change yours and you can't change mine, and I respect your right to express yours even when I don't agree with them.
I'm not attacking you I'm mearly responding to what I percieved to be a question, ask by yourself, as to why we were in support of that letter, have a good day and god bless america
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08-31-2004, 11:48 AM #15Anabolic Member
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Originally Posted by saboudian
You are right this would not have happened if she dedicated it to Bush...being that Timmins is a supporter of Bush. It's his casino he can do whatever he wants!
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08-31-2004, 11:52 AM #16Originally Posted by saboudian
In the letter from Mr. Bill Timmins, although I believe it to be a hoax, the author straight forwardly rebuffs the comments made by Michael Moore in his letter.
I have no information as to the contract between the Casino and Ms. Ronstadt, however I would expect, considering that she had preformed the same “tribute” several times in the past, with the similar reactions from the crowd, that she was asked, by the Casino, not to perform her “tribute”.
The most important rebuttal addressed was the removal of Ms. Ronstadt from the Casino. For Michael Moore to believe that Ms. Ronstadt’s removal from the Casino had anything to do with the First Amendment is ludicrous. Ms. Ronstadt was performing on private property, after being hired by the Casino she was in fact, for that night, an employee of the Casino. She did not perform her duties as assigned to her by the Casino and she was simply fired.
Michael Moore, in my opinion, wrote his letter, and posted it on his web site, simply to cash in on the publicity generated by this event. This is in line with the rest of his career, in which he has twisted facts, rearranged events and for the most part distorted the truth, in order to match his own view of current events and maximize his publicity.Last edited by Bigen12; 08-31-2004 at 12:27 PM.
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08-31-2004, 12:17 PM #17
good post bigen
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08-31-2004, 12:29 PM #18
Michael Moore is an anti-American l!beral piece of sh!t and I hope he rotts in hell.
Last edited by houseofpain; 08-31-2004 at 12:32 PM.
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08-31-2004, 12:30 PM #19
It's not real, who cares.
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08-31-2004, 12:32 PM #20Originally Posted by houseofpain
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08-31-2004, 03:25 PM #21Originally Posted by Sierra_Breeze
Originally Posted by Sierra_Breeze
Originally Posted by Sierra_Breeze
Originally Posted by Sierra_Breeze
He should not have gotten involved at all with Linda, he should keep his azz out of politics, it will only hurt his casino. I am curious if Michael Eiser(CEO of Disney) will be sued by the investors (if possible) because his political interests clearly conflicted with the interests of Disney. He sold F911 to Miramax because it was too political or something along those lines, when disney has many conservative shows like sean hannity. F911 I think has made more than all the disney movies combined in the last year.
Originally Posted by Sierra_Breeze
Sorry if this sounds agressive, but it is just a response, not an insult or attack. God Bless America.Last edited by saboudian; 08-31-2004 at 03:45 PM.
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08-31-2004, 03:53 PM #22
Anyone who speaks Michael Moores name in praise should be shot in the face. He is nothing more than a fat waterhead lib piece of trash. I would have showed Ms.Ronstadt the door as well. Bush has done a great job IMO. Michael Moore is a piece of crap lib.I can't believe people still believe one word these d@mn l!berals say. They are about as hard to understand as a hairlip singing Mississippi queen at a karaoke! First they say the president lied about weapons of mass destruction. Let me clear this up for all you libs that got yer head so far up yer azz you'll poop facial features. The info the president got about wmd's was the SAME info Bill Clinton got when he bombed them sandy asses which ya'll retards agreed with. They got 25 to 30 libs on tape when Bill was rubbing one out in the White House 5 years ago saying more needed to be done. Then when Bush goes in to take out the trash, the very libs that are on tape saying Hussein needs to be stopped say Bush lied cause they didn't find anything! What a bunch of politics! It aint Bushes fault, he was going on the same d@mn info everybody else was going by! Bush Lied huh? Just 4 to 5 years earlier everyone of these lib sumbitches is on tape saying they have wmds! ! Is everybody a fricken waterhead retard! To top it all off, the guy that has been in charge all along of the investigation was a Clinton appointee! Ya know what, who cares! If I aint mistaking these sumbitches killed 3000 of us in 12 minutes. I don't care if they find nothing but buckets of snakes and flutes! Flatten them sumbitches. There trying' to kill us for God Sake! What do these bastards want us to do take em to chuckee cheese? I don't understand why people buy into these lying sacks of commie BS!
Last edited by houseofpain; 08-31-2004 at 03:56 PM.
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08-31-2004, 04:06 PM #23
have any of you ever questioned the notion that bush himself is a l***ral. what do l***rals want out of the gov't. they want a bigger gov't with more spending that puts us in more debt. what has bush done? this exact thing. if any of u disagree with this statemnet im just going by the derinition and **** i learned in school. this just shows how twisted gov't is getting these days
p.s. id rather be a tree hugging l***ral than a fascist bible thumping conservative.Last edited by Casanova33; 08-31-2004 at 04:09 PM.
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08-31-2004, 04:08 PM #24
[QUOTE=Casanova33 fascist bible thumping conservative.[/QUOTE]
what the hell is the meaning of that?
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08-31-2004, 04:15 PM #25
fascist- a tolatarian state governed by a dictator (which happens to be on the right side of the scale making them conservative.)
bible thumper- one of the many babtist, episcapol (sp), church of christ that try and put religion everywhere especially places it doesn't belong. like the fact that we couldn't practice long on wedseday nights or have games on wedseday because the babtists love to go to church on that night. not that i don't like religion i just don't think it should be forced upon people.
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08-31-2004, 04:40 PM #26
i know what facist means, i meant what do you mean by the term bible thumper? i see know that you are an ignorant athiest with no morals or values what so ever. you go ahead and be a little left winger lib, i on the other hand will chill over here on the right side and go to church and be right with god.
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08-31-2004, 05:11 PM #27Originally Posted by houseofpain
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08-31-2004, 05:46 PM #28Originally Posted by houseofpain
Last edited by saboudian; 08-31-2004 at 06:46 PM.
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08-31-2004, 06:03 PM #29Originally Posted by houseofpain
So what are u saying..? Anyone who doesnt go to church "isnt right with god"??
OG
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08-31-2004, 06:11 PM #30
that was great...real or not screw michael moore and anyone who supports his garbage....
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08-31-2004, 07:04 PM #31Originally Posted by OGPackin
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08-31-2004, 07:04 PM #32Originally Posted by DADDYDBOL
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08-31-2004, 08:54 PM #33
i love it, i dont buy thats real, but i love it
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08-31-2004, 09:54 PM #34Originally Posted by houseofpain
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