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    This is great! A must read....

    You may recall, the Aladdin Casino in Las Vegas "tossed out" Linda Ronstadt for her anti American stance while performing. This caused Michael Moore to send a strong letter of complaint to the President of the Aladddin.

    Here is his letter, and then the reply from Mr. Timmins -

    As you most likely know, Michael Moore posted the following letter: After the letter, you will find the response... PLEASE READ MR. TIMMINS RESPONSE. IT IS EXCELLENT. KUDOS TO MR. TIMMINS!

    Bill Timmins President Aladdin Casino and Hotel Las Vegas, NV
    July 20, 2004

    Dear Mr. Timmins:

    I understand from the news reports I've read that, after Linda Ronstadt, one of America's greatest singers, dedicated a song to me from your stage on Saturday night, you instructed your security guards to remove her from the Aladdin, which they did.

    What country do you live in? Last time I checked, Las Vegas is still in the United States. And in the United States, we have something called "The First Amendment." This constitutional right gives everyone here the right to say whatever they want to say. All Americans hold this right as sacred. Many of our young people put on a uniform and risk their lives to defend it. My film is all about asking the questions that should have been asked before those brave soldiers were sent into harms way.

    For you to throw Linda Ronstadt off the premises because she dared to say a few words in support of me and my film, is simply stupid and Un-American. Frankly, I have never heard of such a thing happening. I read that you wouldn't even let her go back up to her room at your hotel! Are you crazy? For crying out loud, it was a song DEDICATION! To "Desperado!" Every American loves that song! Sure, some people didn't like the dedication, and that's their right. But neither they nor you have the right to remove her from your building when all she did was exercise her AMERICAN right to speak her mind.

    Of all the things that go on in Las Vegas, this is what creates the need for serious action? What about the other half of the crowd at the Aladdin who, according to the Las Vegas Sun, cheered her when she made her remarks? Did you throw them out, too?

    I think you owe Ms. Ronstadt an apology. And I have an idea how you can make it up to her -- and to the millions of Americans you have offended. Invite her back and I'll join her in singing "America the Beautiful" on your stage. Then I will show "Fahrenheit 9/11" free of charge to all your guests and anyone else in Las Vegas who wants to see it.

    Mr. Timmins, as the song "Desperado" says -- "Come to your senses!" How can you refuse this offer? I await your reply.

    Yours, Michael Moore Director, "Fahrenheit 9/11"

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    July 21, 2004

    Attention: Michael Moore,

    In response to your letter dated July 20, 2004: You are correct that I had security remove Linda Ronstadt from Aladdin Casino and Hotel where the fun never ends and everybody wins.

    How very interesting to learn you are such a fan of Ms. Ronstadt. You questioned where I live and surprisingly knew Las Vegas is in the UnitedStates. You should visit it sometime. There are thousands of wonderful 'All You Can Eat' buffets.

    There are also a lot of casinos who's owners don't **** around. I am aware of the First Amendment and you have the right to talk about your hatred of America but once you are on my property and you are upsetting my guests, you will quickly learn about my rights.

    I can't remember if it was Jesus or George W. Bush that said, "Freedom is a two-way street." Ms. Ronstadt learned this long before I had her thrown out of my casino. You question my actions? If you come onto my property and upset my guests, you will receive the same, if not worse, treatment than Ms. Ronstadt received. I am sure your mere presence would upset my guests.

    You claim your film, "...is all about asking the questions that should have been asked before those brave soldiers were sent into harms way." I think your film does nothing but aid the enemy and hurt our troops. You have betrayed our troops, our leader and America. I have no respect for you or your vision of what America should be.

    I paid Ms. Ronstadt to entertain my guests, not divide them. The half that did not leave probably thought the verse you mentioned, "Why don't you come to your senses" was addressed to you. Maybe she should have dedicated her song, 'You're No Good' to you. I would have asked her back, had she done that.

    Regarding your request for me to apologize to her, have you and her on my stage singing anything about this Country and then playing your piece of **** film is ludicrous!

    One of my workers is currently throwing away every complaint letter from brainless followers of you, claiming they will never visit my Casino. I could not be more pleased to know my casino and hotel will always be void of the kind of people who support you. Meanwhile, my hotel has been quickly booked solid for the rest of the year with true Americans who love this Country and support our efforts overseas.

    They will see a framed copy of your letter and my response in the lobby to ensure they begin their experience with a laugh.

    Sincerely,
    Bill Timmins President Aladdin Casino and Hotel Las Vegas, NV

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    wow, hell of a response from timmins

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    I love it,

    however from what I read, it is a hoax.....

    http://urbanlegends.about.com/librar...vs_timmins.htm

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    Lol that response was awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigen12
    I love it,

    however from what I read, it is a hoax.....

    http://urbanlegends.about.com/librar...vs_timmins.htm

    It says the letter from Moore is legitiamte though (it is even on his own website).....arrogant puke fuker.

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    that was great. kudos to mr timmins

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    That was awsome, thanks for sharing, gotta love a guy who tells it like it is sam! And respect him for not showing favoritism, to a celeb with a large following, he had the brass to toss her out, and not care whether or not her supporters return.
    Nice to see his class, and love of country outshines, the greed that most, or many hide their convictions behind. Some people will endure almost anything, and hold their tongues, just for the sake of making the allmighty dollar! It's good to see there are still a few good men, who will sacrifice a few bucks and stand up for what they believe in!

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    i would love to shake Mr. Timmins' hand, that was awesome.

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    She dedicated a song to Michael Moore, whats the big deal?
    This crap wouldn't have happened if she dedicated it to Bush.

    I would guess the response is a hoax, but the response is still very poor, I don't understand why everyone is praising when it is so dumb.

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    That was a great read.. I hate Michael Moore hes such a fat ass slob waste of life and space. Timmins' response was very good and he couldn't be more right. Michael Moore is a disgrace.. if you hate this country and the president... get the **** out.

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    Good read..I hope that it is true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saboudian
    She dedicated a song to Michael Moore, whats the big deal?
    This crap wouldn't have happened if she dedicated it to Bush.

    I would guess the response is a hoax, but the response is still very poor, I don't understand why everyone is praising when it is so dumb.
    Must you always be so negative? I will try and explain it as best I can just from my viewpoint and how I see it. It wasn't the fact that she dedicated a song as much as she used her celeb status to publicly support what many see as anti-american.
    And even as much as you dislike Bush, he is still the president and the leader of this country like it or not, and for someone, anyone to publicly, slander him, it just doesn't set well with those of us who support our country, and the leaders of it.
    She is entitled to her opinion, and in most cases should be allowed to speak it freely, but she's going against those who fight past present and future to allow her that right. She excercised her right to freedom of speach, and he excercised his right as the owner of the hotel,club, whatever to have her removed. I give him props for being so bold as to not be intimidated by her public image , and doing so.
    You found it dumb, I found it refreshing, and guess what we are both entitled to our opinions, I'm sure I won't change yours and you can't change mine, and I respect your right to express yours even when I don't agree with them.

    I'm not attacking you I'm mearly responding to what I percieved to be a question, ask by yourself, as to why we were in support of that letter, have a good day and god bless america

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    Quote Originally Posted by saboudian
    She dedicated a song to Michael Moore, whats the big deal?
    This crap wouldn't have happened if she dedicated it to Bush.

    I would guess the response is a hoax, but the response is still very poor, I don't understand why everyone is praising when it is so dumb.
    LMAO...you must not be a republican.

    You are right this would not have happened if she dedicated it to Bush...being that Timmins is a supporter of Bush. It's his casino he can do whatever he wants!

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    Quote Originally Posted by saboudian
    She dedicated a song to Michael Moore, whats the big deal?
    This crap wouldn't have happened if she dedicated it to Bush.

    I would guess the response is a hoax, but the response is still very poor, I don't understand why everyone is praising when it is so dumb.

    In the letter from Mr. Bill Timmins, although I believe it to be a hoax, the author straight forwardly rebuffs the comments made by Michael Moore in his letter.

    I have no information as to the contract between the Casino and Ms. Ronstadt, however I would expect, considering that she had preformed the same “tribute” several times in the past, with the similar reactions from the crowd, that she was asked, by the Casino, not to perform her “tribute”.

    The most important rebuttal addressed was the removal of Ms. Ronstadt from the Casino. For Michael Moore to believe that Ms. Ronstadt’s removal from the Casino had anything to do with the First Amendment is ludicrous. Ms. Ronstadt was performing on private property, after being hired by the Casino she was in fact, for that night, an employee of the Casino. She did not perform her duties as assigned to her by the Casino and she was simply fired.

    Michael Moore, in my opinion, wrote his letter, and posted it on his web site, simply to cash in on the publicity generated by this event. This is in line with the rest of his career, in which he has twisted facts, rearranged events and for the most part distorted the truth, in order to match his own view of current events and maximize his publicity.
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    good post bigen

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    Michael Moore is an anti-American l!beral piece of sh!t and I hope he rotts in hell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by houseofpain
    Michael Moore is an anti-American l***ral piece of sh!t and I hope he rotts in hell.
    Quoted for truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sierra_Breeze
    Must you always be so negative? I will try and explain it as best I can just from my viewpoint and how I see it. It wasn't the fact that she dedicated a song as much as she used her celeb status to publicly support what many see as anti-american.
    The problem with the avg american is that they will beleive anything that comes out of the bush machine, and it gets repeated and repeated. The fact is that what she did was not unamerican, and michael is not unamerican. There is nothing unamerican about a dedication or F911.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sierra_Breeze
    And even as much as you dislike Bush, he is still the president and the leader of this country like it or not, and for someone, anyone to publicly, slander him, it just doesn't set well with those of us who support our country, and the leaders of it.
    I am certainly against slander also, but if you're referring to F911 as being slander and unamerican, the best example I can think of is that women in F911 who worked at the unemployment office and referred ppl to the military, her son was in the military, and she said how hurt she was when ppl protested, when she didn't understand what they were actually protesting about. Protesting doesn't make you unamerican.



    Quote Originally Posted by Sierra_Breeze
    She is entitled to her opinion, and in most cases should be allowed to speak it freely, but she's going against those who fight past present and future to allow her that right.
    She wasn't protesting the ppl who gave her that right. Why did you write that?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sierra_Breeze
    She excercised her right to freedom of speach, and he excercised his right as the owner of the hotel,club, whatever to have her removed. I give him props for being so bold as to not be intimidated by her public image , and doing so.
    He should have never gotten involved. From what I have heard there were only a few ppl upset, as i'm sure it wouldn't upset most republicans enough to throw a public tantrum. He should have exercised his right to punish the ppl who were breaking things and vandalizing which is still against the law, unlike freedom of speech.

    He should not have gotten involved at all with Linda, he should keep his azz out of politics, it will only hurt his casino. I am curious if Michael Eiser(CEO of Disney) will be sued by the investors (if possible) because his political interests clearly conflicted with the interests of Disney. He sold F911 to Miramax because it was too political or something along those lines, when disney has many conservative shows like sean hannity. F911 I think has made more than all the disney movies combined in the last year.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sierra_Breeze
    You found it dumb, I found it refreshing, and guess what we are both entitled to our opinions, I'm sure I won't change yours and you can't change mine, and I respect your right to express yours even when I don't agree with them.

    I'm not attacking you I'm mearly responding to what I percieved to be a question, ask by yourself, as to why we were in support of that letter, have a good day and god bless america
    Any letter where there is a comparison of bush to jesus cannot be possibly taken seriously, or where freedom speech is confused with anti-americanism. Is it Brainless to question or criticize our politicians?

    Sorry if this sounds agressive, but it is just a response, not an insult or attack. God Bless America.
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    Anyone who speaks Michael Moores name in praise should be shot in the face. He is nothing more than a fat waterhead lib piece of trash. I would have showed Ms.Ronstadt the door as well. Bush has done a great job IMO. Michael Moore is a piece of crap lib.I can't believe people still believe one word these d@mn l!berals say. They are about as hard to understand as a hairlip singing Mississippi queen at a karaoke! First they say the president lied about weapons of mass destruction. Let me clear this up for all you libs that got yer head so far up yer azz you'll poop facial features. The info the president got about wmd's was the SAME info Bill Clinton got when he bombed them sandy asses which ya'll retards agreed with. They got 25 to 30 libs on tape when Bill was rubbing one out in the White House 5 years ago saying more needed to be done. Then when Bush goes in to take out the trash, the very libs that are on tape saying Hussein needs to be stopped say Bush lied cause they didn't find anything! What a bunch of politics! It aint Bushes fault, he was going on the same d@mn info everybody else was going by! Bush Lied huh? Just 4 to 5 years earlier everyone of these lib sumbitches is on tape saying they have wmds! ! Is everybody a fricken waterhead retard! To top it all off, the guy that has been in charge all along of the investigation was a Clinton appointee! Ya know what, who cares! If I aint mistaking these sumbitches killed 3000 of us in 12 minutes. I don't care if they find nothing but buckets of snakes and flutes! Flatten them sumbitches. There trying' to kill us for God Sake! What do these bastards want us to do take em to chuckee cheese? I don't understand why people buy into these lying sacks of commie BS!
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    have any of you ever questioned the notion that bush himself is a l***ral. what do l***rals want out of the gov't. they want a bigger gov't with more spending that puts us in more debt. what has bush done? this exact thing. if any of u disagree with this statemnet im just going by the derinition and **** i learned in school. this just shows how twisted gov't is getting these days

    p.s. id rather be a tree hugging l***ral than a fascist bible thumping conservative.
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    [QUOTE=Casanova33 fascist bible thumping conservative.[/QUOTE]
    what the hell is the meaning of that?

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    fascist- a tolatarian state governed by a dictator (which happens to be on the right side of the scale making them conservative.)
    bible thumper- one of the many babtist, episcapol (sp), church of christ that try and put religion everywhere especially places it doesn't belong. like the fact that we couldn't practice long on wedseday nights or have games on wedseday because the babtists love to go to church on that night. not that i don't like religion i just don't think it should be forced upon people.

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    i know what facist means, i meant what do you mean by the term bible thumper? i see know that you are an ignorant athiest with no morals or values what so ever. you go ahead and be a little left winger lib, i on the other hand will chill over here on the right side and go to church and be right with god.

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    Quote Originally Posted by houseofpain
    i know what facist means, i meant what do you mean by the term bible thumper? i see know that you are an ignorant athiest with no morals or values what so ever. you go ahead and be a little left winger lib, i on the other hand will chill over here on the right side and go to church and be right with god.
    dont even dare call me an atheist. i went to a moderate church growing up. they don't try and stuff everything down your throat. but i noticed when i went to my first fca meeting in middle school that thats all they tried to do. even as a college athlete now i refuse to go to those meetings. i pray before most meals and every night ,i am far from an atheist. i just belive that religion is a personal connection not something where someone can tell u you are doing something wrong or how to do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by houseofpain
    Bush has done a great job IMO.
    Name one issue where bush has been great, in fact, name as many as you can.
    Last edited by saboudian; 08-31-2004 at 07:46 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by houseofpain
    i know what facist means, i meant what do you mean by the term bible thumper? i see know that you are an ignorant athiest with no morals or values what so ever. you go ahead and be a little left winger lib, i on the other hand will chill over here on the right side and go to church and be right with god.

    So what are u saying..? Anyone who doesnt go to church "isnt right with god"??

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    that was great...real or not screw michael moore and anyone who supports his garbage....

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    Quote Originally Posted by OGPackin
    So what are u saying..? Anyone who doesnt go to church "isnt right with god"??

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    not at all bro, i dont attend church reguraly but i am very right with god. i just dont agree with how he puts republican and bible thumper together like its a bad thing. yeah i dont like when someone forces their religion on you but in all reality they are only doing what the bible says to do, spread the word.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DADDYDBOL
    that was great...real or not screw michael moore and anyone who supports his garbage....
    i feel ya on that one brotha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by houseofpain
    not at all bro, i dont attend church reguraly but i am very right with god. i just dont agree with how he puts republican and bible thumper together like its a bad thing. yeah i dont like when someone forces their religion on you but in all reality they are only doing what the bible says to do, spread the word.
    do u know why babtists cant have sex standing up? because someone might accuse them of dancing j/k. thats right babtists don't believe in dancing and condemn it. bible also says not to condemn thats what all those thumpers do and u did too when u dared call me an atheist. imo the only thing wrong with bible thumpers is that when they babtize them they don't hold them under the water long enough j/k.

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