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11-16-2004, 09:17 AM #41Originally Posted by nickrizz
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11-16-2004, 09:19 AM #42Originally Posted by jcstomper
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11-16-2004, 09:20 AM #43
here ya go people, all i ask is that you read it with a open mind. and just to let everyone know, I AM NOT A ATHEIST. I AM AGNOSTIC. two completly differant things, i belive in a god or creator, i just dont believe in organized religion cause its all man made no matter where you look. i dont know what happens when you die, or any of that stuff. and the only way you find out is when you die, or before your born. last i have checked i havent talked to any dead or unborn fetus's. so how on eartch could any human know what happens? again im not a atheist im a agnostic. ive studied all religions with a open mind and that is what i ended up being cause i saw all the contradictions and flaws in every one of them, again cause they are all MAN MADE
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/pascal-wager/
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11-16-2004, 09:22 AM #44Originally Posted by jcstomper
i am agnostic also.. organized religion is too biased and hypocrytical
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11-16-2004, 09:22 AM #45Originally Posted by hung-solo
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11-16-2004, 09:25 AM #46
i believe you can be a good person without the bible too and still get into heaven. but i believe you can follow the bible and be a good person you can get into heaven. what i am trying to say is i think the bible is a good reference for life but certain parts are obviosly outdated, like gay marriage and slavery.. but you cant ammend the bible like the constitution.. if it doesnt make sence let me know im very tired
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11-16-2004, 09:31 AM #47Originally Posted by nickrizz
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11-16-2004, 09:31 AM #48Originally Posted by nickrizz
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11-16-2004, 09:43 AM #49Originally Posted by Peanut Butter
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11-16-2004, 09:44 AM #50Originally Posted by jcstomper
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11-16-2004, 09:46 AM #51Originally Posted by Peanut Butter
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11-16-2004, 09:57 AM #52
The Bible is a tool like a hammer. It can be used for good or bad depending on who's using it, ie quoting verse x or verse y to "prove their point." I don't think the Bible was meant to be taken literally but used as a guide and if you follow it roughly then you'll probably be a "good member of society."
I thought agnostic meant you weren't sure. I was very Catholic and eventually ended up kind of throwing up my hands and giving up, now I just don't really think about any supreme being.
I don't think just because you're religious you're not taking credit for what you do. I was always real confident that God wasn't the one who won that game for me, etc...
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11-16-2004, 10:25 AM #53Originally Posted by jimmyivory
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11-16-2004, 11:36 AM #54
Back to the opening of the thread I think that God and the Bible and religion can be debated until the sun goes supernova and we're all wiped out of the galaxy. However, I believe there was a quote somewhere that mentioned a SEPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE. Maybe somebody should tell Bush about that one, because I would bet cash with anybody that after this election there will be more politicians who follow his bullish with trying to get the religious vote.
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11-16-2004, 11:39 AM #55
Dang.. I thought GW was a evangelical christian... not jewish.. for what you quote is jewish law...
ask a rabi.. they would have that information..
My letter is...
Dear president Bush.........
Good Job..
Love ya.......
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11-16-2004, 11:48 AM #56Originally Posted by mushroomstampr
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11-16-2004, 11:49 AM #57Originally Posted by spywizard
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11-16-2004, 11:54 AM #58Associate Member
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Originally Posted by Peanut Butter
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11-16-2004, 11:57 AM #59
yeah and speaking of history how bout some of you guys blow the dust off those old history books and speak on what happens when the line starts to blur between religion and government. Now I'm a pretty independant person and I'm not saying all of a sudden Bush is going to instill ritual killings or re-name himself Supreme Being and say he was ordained by God to rule or whatever. On the other hand watch what's going on, his cabinet is leaving, religious extremists are attacking us, and SO MANY people who are more-educated than me or most of the people here are all pointing fingers at Bush. That's the best when these people who are published and respected in the academic community are sayin all these reasons why Bush sucks and then some republican guy from the house of reps says he's wrong.
P.S. for the record I don't like michael moore and i don't agree with him because he's just another fat liberal pu$$y.
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11-16-2004, 11:57 AM #60Associate Member
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Originally Posted by jcstomper
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11-16-2004, 12:46 PM #61Originally Posted by marlin444
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11-16-2004, 12:51 PM #62Originally Posted by Peanut Butter
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11-16-2004, 12:54 PM #63Originally Posted by mushroomstampr
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11-16-2004, 01:01 PM #64
just think about all the resignations
wouldnt ya know that they are all leaders of the area's that bush is f-cking up?
education, envoirment, world policy, and from what they are saying tom ridge might quit from home land security
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11-16-2004, 01:09 PM #65Originally Posted by jcstomper
Pre-civil war slave states voted for Bush
Bible endorses slavery
Bush's #1 attribute is his christian values
hmmmmmm. Makes ya think.
Not insinuating anything of course.
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11-16-2004, 01:11 PM #66Originally Posted by Peanut Butter
na we wouldnt want to do that lol we dont insinuate lol
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11-16-2004, 01:11 PM #67
did you know that bush wasnt even born in texas?
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11-16-2004, 01:12 PM #68Originally Posted by jcstomper
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11-16-2004, 01:14 PM #69Originally Posted by Peanut Butter
http://americanassembler.com
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11-16-2004, 01:19 PM #70
i guess these are all lies too as every pro bush person wants to say lol
http://www.house.gov/appropriations_...ughtonfilm.htm
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11-16-2004, 01:55 PM #71
As much as I would like to believe it, religion is not for everyone. I am a devoted christian. I sin like anyone else, but look to God for forgiveness. In reference to what JC stated above, being a christian makes me happier, and I believe it makes me a better person, but not everyone feels that way. Do I think you can get to heaven without God, no way. But do I feel like someone can be a good hearted, hard working decent human being without religion, yes. It's all about what's inside. If you have the drive and motivation to be better, you can. It's just that some of our motivation lies in a thing called faith. And that's where we differ. Faith lets me KNOW that there is a life after death, and it takes place in heaven. 100 different people can interpret the Bible 100 different ways, but I know how my family, friends and myself understand it, and that's all that matters to me.
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11-16-2004, 02:12 PM #72Originally Posted by Surferboy
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11-16-2004, 10:10 PM #73Originally Posted by jcstomper
Hmm... every other religious book ? Perhaps we could sit down and compare nihilism with Luciferism ( true luciferism at that , not that Anton LeVay **** ) or perhaps ancient middle east cults and european paganism ?
Most of the " morals " instilled in us from an early age have their roots in judaic/christain tenets... I think it would be interesting if all these judaic christain themes could be removed from the earth just for one day...
" Morals " are derieved from religion... keep in mind... I am not attempting to defend the " church " - I am not fond of the church , infact i'll go out on a limb and confess that I harbor hate for the church - and I think God would not be pleased with it either seeing how it has been a tool of sin weilded by man throughout the ages.... also.. keep in mind jesus was not " organized " - he did not go around building cathedrals and forcefully converting people . Man has perverted christainity as he perverts everything within his grasps.
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Originally Posted by Peanut Butter
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11-16-2004, 10:48 PM #75Originally Posted by CYCLEON
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11-16-2004, 10:57 PM #76Originally Posted by jcstomper
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