Giambi and juice

Just finished reading the article about Jason Giambi and his use of juice.
if anyone wants to read it:http://msn.foxsports.com/story/3211080
I feel bad for him since he was using clomid and it may have increased his tumor in the pituitary gland, of course the clomid is capable of this since it stimulates the pituitary gland. But this just gives the public another excuse to condone the uses of roids. Clomid cant cause the tumor, but if its already their then clomid can make it worse. I wouldn't mind getting some of that specail cream he was using, i wonder what it is. So what do you all think about giambi and the roid scandle of balco?

I wonder what "the clear" is?

I don't care if they use steroids or not. How many people on steroids can hit a baseball coming in at 90+mph moving all over the place. Granted when they do hit it they have more power behind it but if you miss the right spot by a quarter of an inch it goes from a homerun to ground ball or fly out.

I hate the general conception that steroids are "cheating." I mean, Giambi probably wont be the same player he was before anyways now after all these health problems but whats to say that those health problems happend BECAUSE of AAS??

Just seeing steroids discussed by the media pisses me off in general...

wow, i am glad he had he balls to man up. fukk bonds, i would have no problem with him if maned up as well. he gained 30lbs of muscle in the off season in his mid 30's, something weird about that? he!! YES
~HOP

yea, i'm wondering what the clear gel was as well, can't you make tren that you can make and rub on though, maybe thats it?

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_y...ov=ap&type=lgns

Report: Giambi testified he used steroids, human growth hormone


December 2, 2004
SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- New York Yankees slugger Jason Giambi injected himself with human growth hormone in 2003 and also used steroids for at least three seasons, according to his grand jury testimony reviewed by the San Francisco Chronicle.

The testimony given in December 2003 to the federal grand jury investigating BALCO contradicts Giambi's public proclamations that he never used performance-enhancing drugs.

Giambi described how he injected human growth hormone in his stomach, testosterone into his buttocks, rubbed an undetectable steroid knows as ``the cream'' on his body and placed drops of another, called ``the clear,'' under his tongue, the Chronicle reported on its Web site Wednesday night

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Giambi testified that he obtained several different steroids from Barry Bonds' personal trainer, Greg Anderson, who is one of four men indicted by the grand jury investigating the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative. He said he got the human growth hormone from a gym in Las Vegas.

Anderson's attorney, Tony Serra, declined comment to the Chronicle, citing a court order.

Anderson, BALCO founder Victor Conte, vice president James Valente and track coach Remi Korchemny all have pleaded not guilty to the charges, which include steroid distribution.

On Wednesday, a federal judge said she would not immediately dismiss the charges in response to accusations that prosecutors illegally searched BALCO headquarters and Anderson's house and car. U.S. District Judge Susan Illston said she may conduct hearings into the matter in January.

Giambi was among dozens of elite athletes -- including Bonds, Gary Sheffield and track stars Tim Montgomery and Marion Jones -- who answered the grand jury's questions last year. Bonds, Jones and Montgomery deny using illegal drugs, but Sheffield told Sports Illustrated and ESPN earlier this year that he used ``the cream'' and ``the clear'' from BALCO, which he said unknowingly to him contained illegal steroids.

The Chronicle reported in October that on a 9-minute recording it had obtained, a speaker the paper identified as Anderson is heard saying Bonds used an ``undetectable'' performance-enhancing drug during the 2003 season.

Giambi met Anderson when the trainer joined Bonds on an All-Star tour in Japan in November 2002. Giambi said he wanted to know what Bonds' secret for success was.

``So I started to ask him: 'Hey, what are the things you're doing with Barry? He's an incredible player. I want to still be able to work out at that age and keep playing,''' Giambi testified, according to the Chronicle. ``And that's how the conversation first started.''

After returning to the United States, Anderson told Giambi he could provide him with performance-enhancing drugs and suggested he stop taking the steroid Deca Durabolin that he obtained from the Las Vegas gym because it stays in the system too long, the paper reported. Giambi said he started using Deca Durabolin in 2001.

Giambi said Anderson never told him that Bonds used performance-enhancing drugs.

``You know, I assumed because he's Barry's trainer -- you know, Barry -- but he never said one time, 'This is what Barry's taking, this is what Barry's doing,''' Giambi testified. ``He never gave up another name that he was dealing with or doing anything with.''

Prosecutors confronted Giambi with a calendar seized from Anderson's home that detailed Giambi's schedule of drug use.

Giambi said he didn't notice a ``huge difference'' in his performance after starting to use illegal drugs.

Giambi came to spring training this year looking noticeably trimmer as baseball began a steroid-testing program that included punishments for the first time. Asked in February whether he had ever taken performance-enhancing drugs, Giambi said: ``Are you talking about steroids? No.''

Giambi won the AL MVP in 2000 for Oakland and signed a $120 million, seven-year free-agent contract with the Yankees after the 2001 season. He hit 155 homers from 1999-2002 and batted over .300 each season, but injuries slowed him down the last two years.

Bothered by a balky knee, Giambi hit just .250 in 2003. Giambi batted .208 and played in only 80 games last season, missing time because of a tumor, which the New York Daily News reported was in his pituitary gland. Medical experts told the Chronicle that Clomid, a drug Giambi said he thought Anderson had given him, can exacerbate a tumor of the pituitary gland.

Giambi's younger brother, Jeremy, who last played in the majors with Boston in 2003, also testified that he used performance-enhancing drugs given to him by Anderson, according to the Chronicle.

Barry Bonds Fingered In Steroid Probe
Agents: BALCO figures named star athletes during 2003 IRS raids
NOVEMBER 1--Key figures in the BALCO steroid case last year fingered Barry Bonds and other athletes as having received illegal performance-enhancing drugs from the California company, according to the below Internal Revenue Service investigative reports. During raids last September, BALCO president Victor Conte identified 27 athletes who received illegal steroids--known as "the clear" and "the creme"--from his firm. Included on that roster were baseball players like Bonds, Gary Sheffield, and Jason Giambi, and track and field stars Tim Montgomery and Marion Jones. BALCO vice president James Valente also told federal agents that Bonds received steroids, noting that the San Francisco Giant "does not like how 'the clear' makes him feel." In addition, Valente told agents that Giambi once tested positive for steroids. Investigators also interviewed Greg Anderson, Bonds's personal trainer, who admitted giving "a small amount of steroids to people" and providing some athletes with testosterone and human growth hormone. Anderson denied, however, giving steroids to Bonds, a childhood friend. The IRS interview with Anderson abruptly ended after agents searching his home discovered file folders labeled with the names of professional baseball players and containing apparent "details of steroid administration." When confronted with the folders--one of which carried Bonds's name--Anderson "stated that he didn't think he should be talking anymore because he didn't want to go to jail," according to one report. The IRS memos were filed in U.S. District Court Friday by prosecutors handling the federal criminal case against Conte, Valente, Anderson, and track coach Remi Korchemny. The defendants are seeking to have the interview memoranda suppressed, claiming that the IRS documents incorrectly attribute damaging statements to them. (12 pages)

the "clear"=THG, EPO and insulin
just in case your wondering

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Originally Posted by geoneo

the "clear"=THG, EPO and insulin
just in case your wondering

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its all of them combined?

EPO, yeah, baseball players really need that because they have 90 feet to run. :lol:

good for him

Alot of people dont really understand, steroids dont make you hit home runs. Hitting a baseball is all hand/eye coordination, and alot of skill. Making the ball go a little farther, may have something to do with the steroid use. And the best part about it, neither one of them will receive fines or be suspended. Labor Union too strong. And their respective teams, cant void their contracts. Hopefully, they both will have strong seasons..

What is EPO?

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Originally Posted by Decadbal

good for him

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:lol: :lol: