12-24-2004, 01:07 PM #1Junior Member
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Tell me why secure online email works?
I can't figure out why people have these secure email accounts and publicize their addresses? Don't they know that all incoming mail is not encrypted and out is only encrypted when they select the option. Even then, the other party needs the password to open it. How would they then get the password?
Also, your IP address is linked directly to the email account and all of your online activity.
The recent bust of the lady whom cut open that lady and stole here baby is what made me think of this stuff. This is how she was caught.
All they would then have to do is seize your PC. All of your previously deleted files, oonline history etc. are still recoverable rather you know it or not!
If someone has a fool proof method of communicating securely, please share.
12-24-2004, 01:09 PM #2Member
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good question keep me upated.
12-24-2004, 01:19 PM #3VET
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most sources will only accept emails from other secure email accounts. once it's sent, the message is encrpyted. yes it's true that's it can still be decoded, but not by a novice user.
most of the secure email systems use encrypted email based on the Hush encryption system. the keys are the same - cyber rights can decode elite, vice versa, along with hushmail or whatever other email addy's use that system.
12-24-2004, 01:26 PM #4
Because everyone is assigned their own UNIQUE encryption key. Thats why it works.
12-24-2004, 01:34 PM #5
Ohh and hushmail dosent attach your IP to any of the emails.
12-24-2004, 02:03 PM #6Junior Member
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12-25-2004, 12:39 AM #7Junior Member
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12-25-2004, 12:43 AM #8Originally Posted by justin984
12-25-2004, 12:43 AM #9
i have only red the first email so ill put my techy nerd bit.
its all PGP encrypted, apparently PGP is unbreakable as its completely configuration each time.
12-25-2004, 12:44 AM #10
Originally posted by 3VANDOO @ WCB
How your email is really safe!
There is a false security sentiment that goes around the board’s community, and this is the feeling that we must use secured emails such as: hushmail, ziplip, s-mail, securemail etc...
It is now even common that many boards require that their member utilise a secured email, also the promotion of secured emails with PGP is greatly promoted.
So do you think your email is safe?
We all know that with some emails you need a key, a pgp key for encryption, or send the email between the two same emails provider.
Well I have news
The Yahoo, or hotmail are as safe as hushmail or cyber-rights.
Most of us, use these types of emails to protect from the authorities, well you guys do, not me as I am a canuck. But, you are afraid that they can intercept your email and know what you are dealing with, right?
Well bad news folks!
All of your encrypted emails even if it goes to the 128bits are easily decrypted by the authorities such as federal agencies, FBI, ATF, DEA, Custom etc.
But the biggest fun is with the “Echelon” program where the United States, United Kingdom, Canada, New Zealand, and Australia joined common effort to intercept all communications such as TV, Radio, internet(email, chat, board, messenger), phones, cell, satellite communications, GPS locations you name it, every device with the possibilities of communication is monitored even your XBOX!
How it works, well, first these agencies are usually the NSA, CSE(Canadian Version of NSA), MI5 .. They sponsor all monitoring on “foreign” power and residents. Yeah right..
Ok, let’s see.
All communication let’s say leaving the US are monitored and RECORDED in big big computers at Fort Meade Maryland(home of the No Such Agency AKA NSA)
So if you talking on MSN messenger and you sending a message to a buddy saying “Dude, ever tried that brand?” well the echelon has it recorded, even if you use an encryption for MSN.
On the phone with your wife as you are in another city having phone sex with her “Hey baby, I am ….”. Well too bad, you were recorded.
Text messaging a friend saying “Hey wanna smoke weed tonight dude”. It is also recorded.
NAME IT, it’s out there.
And no it’s no propaganda or conspiracy theory on Art Bell, it is true.
No never wondered why some of the BIG CHINESE sources never use encrypted emails (except one I know, that do business outside of the Chinese territory) Why?
Because all emails outbound and inbound are monitored by the Chinese government.
Yes, do see if there no counter-revolutionary materials going on, that’s one example!
So the Chinese government knows if you ordered Jin’s kits or one gram of test in powder.
You are sceptic? Go to Hong-Kong and see how long the custom will precede you after you showed them your passport!
Now let's go back to the Western World. Okay, everything is monitored and recorded, but this doesn’t mean it will be use against you.
The echelon program will only give the info to: Head of State for national security and economy. Terrorism(If they want to), threat to national security, international blackmail(toward diplomats) or for their own personal use.
Rarely will they share the information gathered to the FBI, RCMP or Local cops, but these agencies have no problems looking at your email. Some will say “Hey they need a warrant” Yes they do, you think they get the warrant first. Oh no, they will look, if they find something they will come with the warrant after.
As for the agencies with echelon! Need a warrant! HAHAHAHAHA BOUAHAHAHAHAA!!! They don’t obey to the same laws as cops, actually they have no ****ing law to obey to. Except, the one they cannot spy on national citizen.
So if the NSA wants to spy on Basskiller as example by law they cannot do so, but they will ask the Canadian to do it. And, that is legal.
Will the information gathered by these spooks used against me?
Probably no, but there are exemptions, if you do international business, want to run for a political office, or have a high security clearance into a government agencies then this might be used against you as everyone have a file in these super computer.
Let’s see how it works:
(fictional name of course)
File name: Gear Got (122345) Born 1875/02/29
- steroid : 1254 mentions
- Bomb 2 mentions
- Fraud 1 mention
- Bin Laden 58 mentions
- Love to fry cat 12 mentions
Most of the time, they will not look at these file, except on the above mentioned earlier.
But the monitoring works also as well as intercepting words live!
So if a person says “ Let’s blow Bush that infidel bastard, let’s blow him with the nuclear device at the WTO meeting in NY, Allah Arbkar!” You bet this will be monitored right on by spooks and investigated.
Same think if you email a friend and write these nice words:
you get the point!
So the moral of that story is easy.
You having a false sense of security, when dealing on all form of communication, do it wisely and smart as you are not safe at all, especially not ALONE!
Last edited by Stout1; 12-25-2004 at 06:55 AM.
12-26-2004, 04:46 AM #11Associate Member
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Suposedly Hush uses PGP to encrypt messages.
PGP uses both public key encryption (PKE) and symmetric encryption when ciphering an email/document/etc.
Public Key Encryption:
(normally) El Gamel Cipher - key size 256bit+
Symmetric Key Encryption:
(normally) CAST5 Cipher - key size 128bit
the symmetric key is passed to the intended recipient securelyy using the public key encryption process.
this means that for every message there is a unique CAST5 key used to encrypt the communications.
Not only is CAST5 cryptographically secure (as a well implemented block cipher) this also means that any potential eavesdropper has access only to one ciphertext which uses that key and thus can not begin to draw statistical similarities from having access to many messages encrypted with the same key.
So cryptographically its as secure as your going to get, orgisations like the NSA/GCHQ/Echelon dont have the power to break El Gamel - it is technically infeasible and they will not have this power until the age of quantum computing.
A symmetric block cipher of 128bit is secure at the current time, and probably will be for 20 years...
Now it becomes a case of whether you trust hushmail, all i can say is the creator of PGP has ties with hushmail - which is a good thing.
12-26-2004, 10:44 AM #12Originally Posted by weightshead
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12-26-2004, 11:12 AM #13
As long as both parties are using secure email, yes it is safe.
The article above is nothing but paranoia with no references at all. 64bit encryption was broken before, but not this was one key group, by using thousands of computers (distributed) for a years time. 128bit is safe for the time being.
To think there is a database of all electronic communications is hard to phathom. The sheer size of such a undertaking would be both technically and monetarily unachievable in my mind. Now if they have reason to monitor you, you can bet they will.
Originally Posted by K$I$N$G$P$I$N
12-26-2004, 11:18 AM #14Originally Posted by K$I$N$G$P$I$N
At the end of the day, if the authorities wanna read your emails, look at your mail, monitor what you eat they can.
12-26-2004, 11:52 AM #15Originally Posted by MESSY_UK
12-26-2004, 12:11 PM #16Originally Posted by K$I$N$G$P$I$N
12-26-2004, 12:18 PM #17Originally Posted by MESSY_UK
box...Yes I know what it is but I didn't know they could do anything they feel
So no privacy nice...But would they use the act to mess with some juicers
you would figure they have more important things to do with my money..
12-26-2004, 12:21 PM #18Originally Posted by K$I$N$G$P$I$N
I not saying they would use this act to do you for steroid use , im merely stating, that if they want to they can. You have NO privacy. If they want to read your emails they have the law behind them and you dont have a right to stop them. They can come into your home when you are at work and search the place without a warrant, without asking your permission, without even telling you they were there.
12-26-2004, 12:23 PM #19Originally Posted by MESSY_UK
12-26-2004, 12:26 PM #20
I hate politics...I don't think there is anything I can do about the big picture...so I don't busy myself worrying...I like to have fun and relax...**** the freedom of whatever act.......
12-26-2004, 12:26 PM #21Originally Posted by K$I$N$G$P$I$N
12-26-2004, 12:27 PM #22
Exactly...the problem is not the encryption or interception of information while it is sent, it is that a lot of info is in one way or another with your ISP and they will cooperate in almost all cases with federal authorities. Telephone conversations are ONLY recorded if the are investigating the user...to record all conversations would be an enormous task...the harddrive storing that much data would be inconceivably large. To make a movie now uses up to 27 Terrabites...to record all the calls made into and out of the US each day!!! That would be beyond our imaginations....
12-26-2004, 12:29 PM #23
Messy, the US government passed that law without really telling US citizens what it was about...in the UK and Canada we have a better understanding of what it entails. Guys it is scary what that law allows the gov to do...
12-26-2004, 12:31 PM #24
messy whats up with all the LOL's you think Iam retarded or something?
12-26-2004, 12:32 PM #25Originally Posted by BigJames
12-26-2004, 12:34 PM #26Originally Posted by MESSY_UK
12-26-2004, 12:34 PM #27Originally Posted by K$I$N$G$P$I$N
Im just curious as to how i know more about one of the most talked about controversial acts to have ever been pushed through in your country and i dont even live there.
I understand not everyone listens to this kind of thing though bro, so dont worry about it.
12-26-2004, 12:37 PM #28
I am saying that it is more talked about in the UK and Canada as they purposefully kept a lot of details from the US Citizens...in Canada we have no such law either...
Like many details of large and important events, it seems that people outside the US seem to know more about it than people inside...just my opinion.
12-26-2004, 12:38 PM #29Originally Posted by MESSY_UK
outcry...With the whole 9/11 thing going on the american public missed alot...
12-26-2004, 12:39 PM #30Originally Posted by BigJames
12-26-2004, 12:45 PM #31Originally Posted by K$I$N$G$P$I$N
12-26-2004, 12:51 PM #32Originally Posted by MESSY_UK
All that was said in the media was positive untill recently...
01-04-2005, 04:35 PM #33Associate Member
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'people willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both'
01-04-2005, 04:54 PM #34
I have to be honest I've only read a few of the better posts in this thread, but
just to let you all know the truth and not what you'd like to believe the NSA and
I'm sure top guys in the CIA and FBI can crack 128 bit encryption and have been
able to for some time... This I know from someone that has been told by a close
friend... Not to mention Carnivor or the other new program they have out that
works very closely with Microsoft systems to gain access to your computer...
This talk about security could go on forever, but I know I'm not a believer in
any foolproof system of communicating and neither should any of you, just be
smart and that way you'll stay as safe as possible...
01-08-2005, 02:56 PM #35Associate Member
Originally Posted by MESSY_UK
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Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000
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