ESPN Steroid Series--more PROPAGANDA!

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02-23-2005, 07:08 AM
SMYL_GR8

ESPN Steroid Series--more PROPAGANDA!

Bob Hazelton was on today, 56 year old former heavyweight boxer (lost to Ali, knocked out Foreman). This guy took Dianobol only for 6 months, then switched to Deca only. Doctors told him that he was getting blood clots in his legs from the juice and he needed to stop. He was "addicted" and couldn't stop. His legs gangrined and needed to be amputated. Now, he's an anti-juice advocate crying in front of Congress and doing PSA's.

IF YOU ABUSE/OVERUSE ANYTHING , IT'S HARMFUL. I HATE THIS ONE-SIDED JOURNALISM.
02-23-2005, 07:12 AM
Kärnfysikern

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Originally Posted by SMYL_GR8

Bob Hazelton was on today, 56 year old former heavyweight boxer (lost to Ali, knocked out Foreman). This guy took Dianobol only for 6 months, then switched to Deca only. Doctors told him that he was getting blood clots in his legs from the juice and he needed to stop. He was "addicted" and couldn't stop. His legs gangrined and needed to be amputated. Now, he's an anti-juice advocate crying in front of Congress and doing PSA's.

IF YOU ABUSE/OVERUSE ANYTHING , IT'S HARMFUL. I HATE THIS ONE-SIDED JOURNALISM.

How the hell could juice cause gangrine? Did he cut upp the muscle with a knife and then poure the juice into the wound or what :unsure:
02-23-2005, 07:12 AM
Monkeytown

WTF?

You know if these idiots did some research they wouldn't have these problems. D-bol for 6 months, then Deca only. So he shredded his liver, then threw his hard-on out the window. What a tool!!
02-23-2005, 07:31 AM
OGPackin

Total BS! I feel sorry for the guy but, Id like to know how many mgs per week he was injecting...Notice how they never mentioned that...The Dr. they interviewed mentioned it....He said injecting "HIGH" doses of AS could be dangerous. Im willing to bet he was injecting well over 1000mgs per week for years....

OG
02-23-2005, 07:34 AM
OGPackin

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Originally Posted by johan

How the hell could juice cause gangrine? Did he cut upp the muscle with a knife and then poure the juice into the wound or what :unsure:

He probably had an abscess from injecting and never did anything about it...

OG
02-23-2005, 07:36 AM
Diesel

I swear I'm going to start a public access show called:

"The truth about Anabolic Steroids"
02-23-2005, 07:43 AM
Spyder

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Originally Posted by Diesel

I swear I'm going to start a public access show called:
"The truth about Anabolic Steroids"

Hell yeah, but just watch as our "freedom of speech" automatically gets taken away ;)
02-23-2005, 07:56 AM
ManzNumero1

yea he said his calve just split in half and he saw his flesh .
i don't understand how that can happen,
that **** is sick
02-23-2005, 08:31 AM
TheChosenOne

There are a couple things that hold water and a lot that did not. His issues came from a blood clot in his legs requiring amputation. Could this be a result of AAS use? Possibly, but you could never pin point that for sure. The blood clot could be an increased RBC issue or he could have family history of thrombosis/stroke/etc. for all we know. If he were only mentioning running Deca and Dbol then he wasnt abusing steroids period! I know for a fact he wasnt running Deca at 1000mg+ every week because no man could stay married running that by itself for 17yrs. I honestly doubt that he 'abused' AAS nor do I believe that any of his issues were caused by AAS use. If AAS use is the culprit for all of his problems then why are so many older AAS users still healthy? Lou Ferrigno doesnt need a wheelchair, Arnold doesnt have blood clots, as a matter of fact I have never so much as even heard of anyone getting gangrine as a direct result of AAS use and if that is the true case where is the medical documentation showing this as a side like you commonly see on other health risks?
02-23-2005, 08:33 AM
OGPackin

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Originally Posted by TheChosenOne

There are a couple things that hold water and a lot that did not. His issues came from a blood clot in his legs requiring amputation. Could this be a result of AAS use? Possibly, but you could never pin point that for sure. The blood clot could be an increased RBC issue or he could have family history of thrombosis/stroke/etc. for all we know. If he were only mentioning running Deca and Dbol then he wasnt abusing steroids period! I know for a fact he wasnt running Deca at 1000mg+ every week because no man could stay married running that by itself for 17yrs. I honestly doubt that he 'abused' AAS nor do I believe that any of his issues were caused by AAS use. If AAS use is the culprit for all of his problems then why are so many older AAS users still healthy? Lou Ferrigno doesnt need a wheelchair, Arnold doesnt have blood clots, as a matter of fact I have never so much as even heard of anyone getting gangrine as a direct result of AAS use and if that is the true case where is the medical documentation showing this as a side like you commonly see on other health risks?

You lost me there....You know for a "fact" huh....Sorry, but unless you were there with him you cant make that blanket statement....

OG
02-23-2005, 09:59 AM
TheChosenOne

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Originally Posted by OGPackin

You lost me there....You know for a "fact" huh....Sorry, but unless you were there with him you cant make that blanket statement....

OG

Yeah you are right fact wasnt probably the best grammatical selection, but lets use some deductive reasoning given the information presented in the pack and realize he wasnt running 2+ grams of gear. In all honesty high doses is all relative. My idea of high doses isnt remotely the same as others. Consider what B8K considers a high dose what BDTR considers high dose. To me running just Dbol and Deca is not a high dose at all. Besides consider the fact that he was 6'3" and 220lbs after 17yrs of AAS use. Hell I have done 3 cycles and have exceeded that with a 4" disadvantage. I just doubt that with all the information presented that he was a 'high' dose user.
02-23-2005, 10:08 AM
anaBROLIC

OMG im watching it right now.. i cant believe this ****..this dude abused steroids, knew nothing about them and paid a price of losing his legs and blames it all on the steroids and not his stupidity...fawk him
02-23-2005, 10:10 AM
anaBROLIC

im not saying i dont feel bad for a guy who lost both of his legs but to try to educate people on how bad they are and talking to congress on how we need to stop the usage of these things piss me off..
02-23-2005, 10:43 AM
TheChosenOne

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Originally Posted by phatmark

this dude abused steroids, knew nothing about them and paid a price of losing his legs and blames it all on the steroids and not his stupidity

This is an argument I dont understand though. How does using no test lead to him losing his legs? How can taking a drug prescribed for cachexia be considered abuse? It wasnt like he was using something different than all of us are. Sure by today's standards its not an ideal cycle, but neither is tapering, 10mg of dbol, once weekly test E injects, all orals, etc. I dont know that you can hold 'old school' AAS users to the same standard as today's users. There was no real information. I just think it is circumstantial that he had blood clots and AAS use concurrently.
02-24-2005, 06:15 PM
SMYL_GR8

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Originally Posted by TheChosenOne

This is an argument I dont understand though. How does using no test lead to him losing his legs? How can taking a drug prescribed for cachexia be considered abuse? It wasnt like he was using something different than all of us are. Sure by today's standards its not an ideal cycle, but neither is tapering, 10mg of dbol, once weekly test E injects, all orals, etc. I dont know that you can hold 'old school' AAS users to the same standard as today's users. There was no real information. I just think it is circumstantial that he had blood clots and AAS use concurrently.

It's pure shock value. If a guy dies of a heart attack or liver failure, you could blame it on other factors like diet, alcohol, etc. However, bilateral leg amputation is 1.Very rare and highly shocking and 2.Harder to justify than the others and therefore, "easier" to blame on the juice.
02-24-2005, 06:19 PM
Jantzen4k

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Originally Posted by SMYL_GR8

It's pure shock value. If a guy dies of a heart attack or liver failure, you could blame it on other factors like diet, alcohol, etc. However, bilateral leg amputation is 1.Very rare and highly shocking and 2.Harder to justify than the others and therefore, "easier" to blame on the juice.

i agree.

its so easy to blame on gear and not on yourself.
02-24-2005, 06:21 PM
Jantzen4k

did you guys see the one today???

i read this story a while ago. the kid took steriods in highschool and hung himself.

they blamed it on steriods because it 'causes mood swings'
02-24-2005, 06:41 PM
dirtdawg

in sports illustrated they had an article on jason giambi, they said "he took a clomid pill which gives you a lot of strength when its mixed with test" ,idiots
02-24-2005, 06:41 PM
TheChosenOne

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Originally Posted by Jantzen4k

they blamed it on steriods because it 'causes mood swings'

I have said this here before and will say it again. I DO believe that AAS use led to his suicide. The reason I say this is because apparently he had no idea of PCT nor did he run it. Therefore his levels had to have been in the cellar. I know of guys personally that have taken AAS and not used PCT and do drastic stuff that indicates depression symptoms like fail out of college, quit caring about work, life, etc. One of the number 1 reasons why doctors recommend HRT to older men is for mood enhancement. LOW TEST=DEPRESSION a lot of times.
02-24-2005, 06:42 PM
dirtdawg

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Originally Posted by TheChosenOne

I have said this here before and will say it again. I DO believe that AAS use led to his suicide. The reason I say this is because apparently he had no idea of PCT nor did he run it. Therefore his levels had to have been in the cellar. I know of guys personally that have taken AAS and not used PCT and do drastic stuff that indicates depression symptoms like fail out of college, quit caring about work, life, etc. One of the number 1 reasons why doctors recommend HRT to older men is for mood enhancement. LOW TEST=DEPRESSION a lot of times.

maybe, but there were other factors most likely
02-24-2005, 06:48 PM
TheChosenOne

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Originally Posted by dirtdawg

maybe, but there were other factors most likely

This too may be the case but you cant over look the importance of PCT. I venture to say if he were an educated user he would still be alive today. I've seen guys f*ck up their lives because they have no idea what PCT is. If I hadnt seen it myself I dont think I would believe it.

http://67.18.108.244/showthread.php?...ght=depression