This is what we drive in England :( (cleaned my car today)

[hung-solo]

you obviously do not race, drag racing is actually hard when you get into the high horsepower cars, you think you just drop the clutch and you get a good 60' time? you probably dont even know what a 60' time is do you? theres alot more involved in drag racing then a average person thinks, its only until you actually try it do you understand launching and shift takes alot alot of practice

the mudman and others that drag race will back me up on this

i am not knocking your skills in doing road races in bugs and civics but i bet if you had a car setup just like everyone elses in nascar you wouldnt fair too well. there is so much more than a constant left hand turn..do research

[Phillyboy1]

Yeah, could be like driving a 700Hp car around in circles

As close to the point of losing traction and spinning as possible,

While other cars bump into you,

Looks easy but really isn’t…….

get your facts straight, they have horsepower restrictions on nascar, and they change according to the track they are at, they also inforce RPM restrictions. everything on nascar is set up to make every car almost equal.

[Phillyboy1]

i am not knocking your skills in doing road races in bugs and civics but i bet if you had a car setup just like everyone elses in nascar you wouldnt fair too well. there is so much more than a constant left hand turn..do research

whoops i forgot about the 2 straight aways, and then some of the track have 3 left turns lol. id love to see one of the nascar drivers at laguna seca or the nuringburgring (sp?) in germany. people watching would wonder how they even got there licenses

[Phillyboy1]

read and you shall learn:

Restrictor Plates
One part of a NASCAR car engine that was implemented for safety reasons is now being pointed at as the cause for many of the multi-car accidents during races. Restrictor plates are used at NASCAR's super-speedways, including Daytona and Talladega, to slow cars down. The New Hampshire International Speedway was recently added to that short list of restrictor-plate tracks following the deaths of Adam Petty and Kenny Irwin on that track within months of each other.
A restrictor plate is a square aluminum plate that has four holes drilled into it. Hole size is determined by NASCAR and varies between 0.875 inches and 1 inch (2.2 to 2.5 cm). Restrictor plates are placed between the carburetor and the intake manifold to reduce the flow of air and fuel into the engine's combustion chamber, thus reducing horsepower and speed.

Restrictor plates were implemented in 1988 following Bobby Allison's crash into a retaining fence at 210 mph (338 kph), which endangered hundreds of fans. Also in 1987, Bill Elliott set the track record by running a lap around the track at 213 mph (343 kph). Some believe that if restrictor plates weren't used, NASCAR cars could race on super-speedways at speeds in excess of 225 mph (362 kph) due to the improved aerodynamics of the cars over the past decade.

While NASCAR officials contend that restrictor plates are needed to prevent high-speed crashes like Allison's, many drivers complain that restrictor plates are the cause of multi-car accidents. Restrictor plates reduce speed by about 10 mph, leaving the field of more than 40 cars bunched tightly as they race around the track at 190 mph. If one of these cars crashes, it usually causes several other cars to crash along with it.

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/nascar-safety2.htm

RCR engineers are intensely trained to deal with some of the most powerful engines in the automotive industry. The V-8 Winston Cup engine runs at about 750 horsepower, with speeds as high as 200 mph. It has a 12.5:1 compression ratio with a maximum 358 cubic inches. A Busch series engine runs at about 500 horsepower with a 9.5:1 compression ratio and a maximum of 358 cubic inches. But it's what goes on inside the lab that makes each race car engine unique.

http://www.geomagic.com/advantage/de...car-index.php3

[Bigen12]

get your facts straight, they have horsepower restrictions on nascar, and they change according to the track they are at, they also inforce RPM restrictions. everything on nascar is set up to make every car almost equal.

Yes, they do have restrictor plates at certain big tracks, but they are still going around 180+ at some tracks, and factor that with other cars bumping into you, it can get interesting.

Yes they try to make the cars equal, which makes for better racing.

NASCAR doesn’t want to be like the F1 cars where the leader some times laps almost the entire field.

[Phillyboy1]

NASCAR doesn’t want to be like the F1 cars where the leader some times laps almost the entire field.

i undestand why they do it, yes equal cars make for better racing, but in F1 its more of a money issue, the leaders have the money to go that fast. still it doesnt make me like nascar, i honestly think its the most boring thing to watch, the only time its exciting is when the cars crash, other then that it sucks to watch.

then again, i think to watch alot of racing is boring, its always alot funner to be in the car actually doing the racing

[decadbal]

What The Phuck Do I Want A Caravan For Thats Got No Phucking Wheels

[Maraxus]

Better Get Out Of Here While You Still Got The Legs To Carry You

[hung-solo]

Yes, they do have restrictor plates at certain big tracks, but they are still going around 180+ at some tracks, and factor that with other cars bumping into you, it can get interesting.

Yes they try to make the cars equal, which makes for better racing.

NASCAR doesn’t want to be like the F1 cars where the leader some times laps almost the entire field.

dude he has never been over 150, he doesnt know! he doesnt understand drafting and how acar going 195 pulls up at a certain angle at 3ft behind the car and lift the front car up by the rear end and get knocked loose with out touching the car and get .. but hey he knows his ****.. sorry jc i had to do it bro

[Phillyboy1]

you want real racing?

this is real racing, the drivers have no clue as to what is ahead of them, all they have is a co poilot with drivers notes as to what is coming up ahead. Group B rally cars, they were soo f-cking fast and dangerous that the FIA banned them from ever racing again. some cars had over 800 whp, weighed under 2500lbs and could run 10 second quarter mile times on dirt tires spinning the whole way down the track and hitting redline in the last year by 3/4's of the way down the track. if they geared them for 1/4mile racing they would have been running 7-8 second passes..

add all that up to racing at night, in the snow, in the rain, in the dirt, and its makes for a very very hard race

http://www.stormloader.com/groupb/audi.html

[hung-solo]

you want real racing?

this is real racing, the drivers have no clue as to what is ahead of them, all they have is a co poilot with drivers notes as to what is coming up ahead. Group B rally cars, they were soo f-cking fast and dangerous that the FIA banned them from ever racing again. some cars had over 800 whp, weighed under 2500lbs and could run 10 second quarter mile times on dirt tires spinning the whole way down the track and hitting redline in the last year by 3/4's of the way down the track. if they geared them for 1/4mile racing they would have been running 7-8 second passes..

add all that up to racing at night, in the snow, in the rain, in the dirt, and its makes for a very very hard race

http://www.stormloader.com/groupb/audi.html

i must agree,personally that would be the most fun on 4 wheels ever!!

[Phillyboy1]

dude he has never been over 150, he doesnt know! he doesnt understand drafting and how acar going 195 pulls up at a certain angle at 3ft behind the car and lift the front car up by the rear end and get knocked loose with out touching the car and get .. but hey he knows his ****.. sorry jc i had to do it bro

actually i have been over 150mph, on my bike, 157mph to be exact. ive also been to 147mph in my car, thats close enough. trust me i know alot more about cars then you think. schooling and hands on experience at a race dealership will do that to you. ive also been at the track racing myself since i was 17 years old. go look in the englishtown paper, you just might find a pic of me and one of my old cars. i know all about drafting, you think nascar is the only ones that do that? just cause you drive the ford around to the groccery store with the kids doesnt make you mr nascar, sorry but drafting a tractor trailer down the high way doesnt count. sorry to burst your bubble.

do you know what over steer, under steer, pushing, and all of the above even are? if i asked you what the yall angle of yoru car was threw a off negitive camber right hand turn would you have any idea as to what i was talking about? probably not

[hung-solo]

actually i have been over 150mph, on my bike, 157mph to be exact. ive also been to 147mph in my car, thats close enough. trust me i know alot more about cars then you think. schooling and hands on experience at a race dealership will do that to you. ive also been at the track racing myself since i was 17 years old. go look in the englishtown paper, you just might find a pic of me and one of my old cars. i know all about drafting, you think nascar is the only ones that do that? just cause you drive the ford around to the groccery store with the kids doesnt make you mr nascar, sorry but drafting a tractor trailer down the high way doesnt count. sorry to burst your bubble.

actually its a cherokee and i dont have kids

[Phillyboy1]

actually its a cherokee and i dont have kids

hahah, my point exactly lol

[Phillyboy1]

ROLL

Roll is one of the most common forces countered by suspension upgrades. As in the illustration, the vehicle chassis will try to lean excessively in either direction. The primary component that combats chassis lean is the anti-roll bar, or swaybar.

PITCH

This occurs on the transverse rotational axis. The forces of pitch cause diving under braking, or rear "squat" under acceleration. Both shocks and springs play an important role in reducing the amount of pitch, but only good, careful suspension design prevents harsh oscillations when combating this force.

YAW

Yaw is a force directly associated with the vertical axis. This condition draws all of the suspension components into play. The ideal suspension on any vehicle should be designed to provide completely neutral handling during hard cornering. Most vehicles are factory-designed with understeer (push) to make the front end of the vehicle start sliding first under hard cornering. This approach is to help prevent the average driver from spinning off the road when decelerating in a corner. Stiffening your suspension one end at a time can induce severe "yaw" conditions. Over-stiffening the rear suspension can create excessive oversteer (tail-out). The opposite occurs when the front is overstiffened, creating understeer (push).

[hung-solo]

hahah, my point exactly lol

i have been over 170 a few times actually.. used to have a 76 stingray with a 454 dbl 4 barrel.. that **** thing had so much torgue at a stop light one time i goosed it bent the rear of the frame and the stripped the rear end.. also i was iin a nc statetrooper's camaro going 110 just on the entrance ramp and in about a quarter mile we were at 175.. granted i dont have much racing experience but i do know what love is.......................f.gump

[hung-solo]

ROLL

Roll is one of the most common forces countered by suspension upgrades. As in the illustration, the vehicle chassis will try to lean excessively in either direction. The primary component that combats chassis lean is the anti-roll bar, or swaybar.

PITCH

This occurs on the transverse rotational axis. The forces of pitch cause diving under braking, or rear "squat" under acceleration. Both shocks and springs play an important role in reducing the amount of pitch, but only good, careful suspension design prevents harsh oscillations when combating this force.

YAW

Yaw is a force directly associated with the vertical axis. This condition draws all of the suspension components into play. The ideal suspension on any vehicle should be designed to provide completely neutral handling during hard cornering. Most vehicles are factory-designed with understeer (push) to make the front end of the vehicle start sliding first under hard cornering. This approach is to help prevent the average driver from spinning off the road when decelerating in a corner. Stiffening your suspension one end at a time can induce severe "yaw" conditions. Over-stiffening the rear suspension can create excessive oversteer (tail-out). The opposite occurs when the front is overstiffened, creating understeer (push).

what are you trying to prove here? that you know how to "control c" a paragraph and post it somewhere else? hahahah jk

[Phillyboy1]

what are you trying to prove here? that you know how to "control c" a paragraph and post it somewhere else? hahahah jk

just trying to enlighten you. and as for your 175 mph state trooper story, id be hard pressed to belive it, first cause any responsible state trooper wouldnt do 175mph with a civilian in the car, second because once a car gets over 115mph the speedometer start to become in accurate very fast. they have done test that the speedo said 200mph and the car was actually only at about 180mph or so. i can look it up for you if you dont belive me, so for the 175mph story, sorry but my BS flag is up very high on that one... reminds me of a guy telling me he did 150mph on his suzuki bandit 600 lol

[bor]

Very nice!!!

S 16?

And are those the OZ superturismo white wheels?

[SplinterCell]

nascar is f-cking gay and stupid, any freaking moron can turn left for the whole race. its the stupidest sport ever invented next to cricket

Whoa whoa whoa buddy....dont knock it till you rock it. Cricket is moooooney! At first I thought it was boring as **** but when you understand the game its quite good. Cricket > baseball.....

[Phillyboy1]

Whoa whoa whoa buddy....dont knock it till you rock it. Cricket is moooooney! At first I thought it was boring as **** but when you understand the game its quite good. Cricket > baseball.....

i was kinda joking on that one, i never tried cricket, but its probably just like baseball.... boring as hell to watch, but fun as sh-t to play lol

[J.S.N.]

not here **** I hate french cars, I think they re worse than american cars and that means something!

fick dich und fick deutschland! und ihre nationalistiche socialistische democratische arbeitspartei auch!

(j/k my german friend you guys' autos ROOL-AH!!!)

[maxmuscle187]

thats sorta like what i drove when i went to india....haha...i hated it....and i think your car sucks....just like my civic

[Elysium]

Yup....I love Pugs.

And the handling is perfect aint it Messy?

Good to see someone who also likes pugs! Yea mate, handles real well now that ive lowered her too. Friend of mine has a 205 1.9gti on throttle bodies he uses fo rtrack use, they are the best handling cars there are, you can go as fast as you want round any corner and they'll stick to the ground. I know that theres some 106 GTIs around your area, think they are called S16 or something out there?

[Elysium]

Very nice!!!

S 16?

And are those the OZ superturismo white wheels?

Yep, its a S16, but in the UK they are badged as "GTI". They are SuperT's too You've got a good eye mate!

[Elysium]

I'll take the 325i in the background ...

thanks though..

My Neighbours mate, ive driven it and pretty dam powerful!

[LB55blitz]

It looks like a mini version of a retard school bus.

[Blown_SC]

you obviously do not race, drag racing is actually hard when you get into the high horsepower cars, you think you just drop the clutch and you get a good 60' time? you probably dont even know what a 60' time is do you? theres alot more involved in drag racing then a average person thinks, its only until you actually try it do you understand launching and shift takes alot alot of practice

the mudman and others that drag race will back me up on this

Backing you up...........

[BOUNCER]

Are you guys talking about drag Queen racing, or two car's travelling in a perfectly straight line? Because there's a huge difference between controlling a pair of thigh high stillettoes over a 1/4 mile than you guys think. People who wear them will back me up, Deca , Vette... Guys, how about some back up?.

[Monsoon says]

Awwwww its like a midget car.

[hung-solo]

just trying to enlighten you. and as for your 175 mph state trooper story, id be hard pressed to belive it, first cause any responsible state trooper wouldnt do 175mph with a civilian in the car, second because once a car gets over 115mph the speedometer start to become in accurate very fast. they have done test that the speedo said 200mph and the car was actually only at about 180mph or so. i can look it up for you if you dont belive me, so for the 175mph story, sorry but my BS flag is up very high on that one... reminds me of a guy telling me he did 150mph on his suzuki bandit 600 lol

he is my cousin that i grew up with and yes a lot of them do it..it had 180 on the speedomiter, it was bouncing like a mofo on the needle stop.. so we guesstamated around 170-185.. the mother ****er is fast! very fast!

[IGOTJUICE007]

My Neighbours mate, ive driven it and pretty dam powerful!

this is what we drive and how we listen....in New York

http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/586693/3

[bor]

Yep, its a S16, but in the UK they are badged as "GTI". They are SuperT's too You've got a good eye mate!

yeah I had the same ones one my 206, just silver, love peugeots!!!

[Elysium]

yeah I had the same ones one my 206, just silver, love peugeots!!!

Yea, i had some silver ones on there but went for the white ones, they really set it off against the blue paint.

[Elysium]

this is what we drive and how we listen....in New York

http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/586693/3

[S.P.G]

I like these

[IGOTJUICE007]

How can you thumbs down a TL Type S

[Elysium]

How can you thumbs down a TL Type S

Just dont like it, personal preference i guess?

[IGOTJUICE007]

Just dont like it, personal preference i guess?

I hear ya, you either love japanese cars or hate them

[taiboxa]

this kid at my university had a car like that it was blue too.. but had like white racing stripes on it... he was a homogay so me and my buddy lifted it up and got it high centered on one of those parking space bumpers that are like an 11inch square speed bump very very funny