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    -The Cannabis plant was used for many things other than the
    extraction of THC (to be discussed later). Our ancestors, up until the
    late 1800’s early 1900’s, used the Cannabis plant to create clothing
    and other materials. The Cannabis plant or ‘hemp’ as it is called in the
    textile industry is a very strong material and will withstand large
    amounts of stress applied to it. Hemp material is widely regarded as
    one of the best possible materials for producing fabrics. A pair of
    trousers made from hemp, or a shirt made from hemp will withstand
    the test of time. It is a far more superior material than cotton. This
    should give you some clues as to why the fabrics industry wanted to
    put a stop to the cultivation of marijuana in the late 1800’s. Hemp
    fabric products will last longer than cotton fabric products thus the
    buyer buys less over longer periods of time. This is the first instance of
    the Cannabis plant being subjected to ridicule for capitalist gain.

    -The only way a medical doctor can help a person with a
    cannabis problem is by having some experience with people who have
    had cannabis problems in the past. There are no special books to turn
    too. There are no references which explain clearly what to do or IF
    cannabis is physically addictive. There are no pills for cannabis
    addiction (there are for alcoholism).
    The only place a doctor can go is to the archives of what other
    countries have said about the drug and its abuse. As a doctor, one
    would maybe try Holland and read up on some of the material there, or
    Belgium or Switzerland. There can be found medical research papers
    that relate to cannabis dependence and all of them say the same thing.
    (A) Can it be abused? YES. (B) Can it be addictive? YES. (C) Is
    cannabis abuse or use life threatening? NO, but mental side effects
    such as depression can be, but only a small percentage of addicts (NOT
    USERS, BUT ADDICTS) go through this. (D) Has anyone ever died of
    cannabis use? ONLY 1 PERSON in the history of cannabis has died
    from its use, but read on. Bruce Lee, the martial arts expert died after
    taking cannabis, but the death certificate was later changed too 'death
    by misadventure' because of another medical herb that he took which
    he did not know he was allergic too. So the correct answer is 0 people
    have died from using cannabis. (E) How do you treat cannabis
    addiction? Psychotherapy is the only answer.
    In fact there are absolutely no reasons for the prohibition of
    cannabis, other than:
    1) It is hard to tell if someone is under the influence of cannabis.
    Driving/working with machinery is a problem here.
    2) People might smoke too much and become a little lazy.
    3) Many governments have prohibited it for over 70 years and it would
    seem very stupid if they told everyone that they where wrong about it.

    -This is where taste comes into play.
    Some people like plants that give a head high but do not cause one to
    fall asleep. Other people like plants that give a down effect and cause
    the body to become less responsive to stimuli. The body down is called
    ‘The couch-lock effect’. The head high is simply called ‘The head
    high.’

    -Pure Sativa is a total ‘Head High’.
    -Pure Indica is a total ‘Body
    Stone/couch-lock’.

    -A 50/50 cross will give a 50% ‘Head high’ and a
    50% ‘Body Stone’. If an Indica plant is crossed slightly with a Sativa
    plant it will give a 60% ‘Body Stone’ and a 40%‘Head High’. A Sativa
    plant that is crossed slightly with an Indica plant will give a 60%
    ‘Head High’ and a 40% ‘Body Stone’.

    From "the cannabis grow bible"....

    Now , I dont smoke nething....and never will again......the smoke fvcks up my lungs real bad....even tho cannabis..is not harmful as the media has led us to believe...for the serious bodybuilders/powerlifters...well for me @least...its a no...but IMO once a month wont hinder ur gains...especially if u dont compete...

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    just think off all the food you can eat when you get the munchies,
    Last edited by msu16366; 08-01-2005 at 12:44 PM.

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    Great post Swole.

    SwoleCat and DrummerBoy (for your personal case study), thank you. I know what I need to do for life and training. It's time to make a change.

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    You will look like them!


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    Bottom line... marijuana is bad news. But...
    i guarantee you that any heavy steroid users will die long before any pothead will.
    It's just that steroids can help you in many ways, pot only helps you if you have MS or glaucoma.
    I shun Marijuana and every reacreational drug out there, including alcohol.
    Marijuana WILL hinder your gains, weather it is from the demotivation to do things, or the long term health effects that it has on your cardio vascular system.
    Let's not forget that it kills brain cells...man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juicy_brucy
    Bottom line... marijuana is bad news. But...
    i guarantee you that any heavy steroid users will die long before any pothead will.
    It's just that steroids can help you in many ways, pot only helps you if you have MS or glaucoma.
    I shun Marijuana and every reacreational drug out there, including alcohol.
    Marijuana WILL hinder your gains, weather it is from the demotivation to do things, or the long term health effects that it has on your cardio vascular system.
    Let's not forget that it kills brain cells...man.
    well yes and no.... yes to all the above, but you'll burn more brain cells holding your breath on a puff than the drug itself will...

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    I dunno, being a Canuck, I grew up thinking it was fine to smoke weed. While smoking I attained a metallurgy and mechanical engineering degree, got into the best shape of my life, and got a job with a huge mining exploration company...

    I quit over a year ago, and I dont feel any more ambitious than I did before I quit..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Predator
    I dunno, being a Canuck, I grew up thinking it was fine to smoke weed. While smoking I attained a metallurgy and mechanical engineering degree, got into the best shape of my life, and got a job with a huge mining exploration company...

    I quit over a year ago, and I dont feel any more ambitious than I did before I quit..
    Alcohol is alot worse than weed.......yet alcohol is legal....its a funny world we live in...dont ya think?

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    [QUOTE=IronFreakX]-The Cannabis plant was used for many things other than the
    extraction of THC (to be discussed later). Our ancestors, up until the
    late 1800’s early 1900’s, used the Cannabis plant to create clothing
    and other materials. The Cannabis plant or ‘hemp’ as it is called in the
    textile industry is a very strong material and will withstand large
    amounts of stress applied to it. Hemp material is widely regarded as
    one of the best possible materials for producing fabrics. A pair of
    trousers made from hemp, or a shirt made from hemp will withstand
    the test of time. It is a far more superior material than cotton. This
    should give you some clues as to why the fabrics industry wanted to
    put a stop to the cultivation of marijuana in the late 1800’s. Hemp
    fabric products will last longer than cotton fabric products thus the
    buyer buys less over longer periods of time. This is the first instance of
    the Cannabis plant being subjected to ridicule for capitalist gain.

    -The only way a medical doctor can help a person with a
    cannabis problem is by having some experience with people who have
    had cannabis problems in the past. There are no special books to turn
    too. There are no references which explain clearly what to do or IF
    cannabis is physically addictive. There are no pills for cannabis
    addiction (there are for alcoholism).
    The only place a doctor can go is to the archives of what other
    countries have said about the drug and its abuse. As a doctor, one
    would maybe try Holland and read up on some of the material there, or
    Belgium or Switzerland. There can be found medical research papers
    that relate to cannabis dependence and all of them say the same thing.
    (A) Can it be abused? YES. (B) Can it be addictive? YES. (C) Is
    cannabis abuse or use life threatening? NO, but mental side effects
    such as depression can be, but only a small percentage of addicts (NOT
    USERS, BUT ADDICTS) go through this. (D) Has anyone ever died of
    cannabis use? ONLY 1 PERSON in the history of cannabis has died
    from its use, but read on. Bruce Lee, the martial arts expert died after
    taking cannabis, but the death certificate was later changed too 'death
    by misadventure' because of another medical herb that he took which
    he did not know he was allergic too. So the correct answer is 0 people
    have died from using cannabis. (E) How do you treat cannabis
    addiction? Psychotherapy is the only answer.
    In fact there are absolutely no reasons for the prohibition of
    cannabis, other than:






    thats interesting

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    Quote Originally Posted by IronFreakX
    Alcohol is alot worse than weed.......yet alcohol is legal....its a funny world we live in...dont ya think?
    I used to drink constantly, i was 360 lbs standing 6'4"...

    I quit drinking 3 years ago, and that alone cut major weight off of me. Im about 290 now, pretty solid, but theres alot of bodyfat to come off yet. Injuries and personal problems(read: A woman ****ed me up good) slowed my progress alot.

    But, like ive told many others... Alcohol never stopped me from attaining my goals, I did... Just had to turn my life around one step at a time..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Predator
    I used to drink constantly, i was 360 lbs standing 6'4"...

    I quit drinking 3 years ago, and that alone cut major weight off of me. Im about 290 now, pretty solid, but theres alot of bodyfat to come off yet. Injuries and personal problems(read: A woman ****ed me up good) slowed my progress alot.

    But, like ive told many others... Alcohol never stopped me from attaining my goals, I did... Just had to turn my life around one step at a time..
    lucky you.... .....both(alcohol&weed) stop me from attaining my goals.........

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    Quote Originally Posted by IronFreakX
    lucky you.... .....both(alcohol&weed) stop me from attaining my goals.........

    well, you keep smoking, as for me, its time to hit the gym Shoulder/triceps day

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Predator
    well, you keep smoking, as for me, its time to hit the gym Shoulder/triceps day
    no thnx aint no smoke touching my lungs ever again......legs day is the shit......

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    Just looking at my roomies over the last yrs at university I realized how much it really sets you back and de-motivates you. I mean not just in a BB perspective, but my roomies werent even motivated enuff to get outta bed or clean their rooms. I would come in from class and see them at 3 pm sleeping all sprawled out over the couches with McDonald's bags all around them. I know this isnt how all smokers are, Im not trying to generalize at all. But fron my experience and the people around me this is usually the way I see pot smokers (lazy, sloppy and unmotivated). Also I just think of what my parents or gf would think if they saw me all messed up and wasting their time and money. To me now, its just sad...Seeing such smart and talented people throw themselves into the fire...like I said, this is only my personal perspective. Not tryin to generalize about everyone smoker.

    -Bino

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    thats pretty much what it does to me, robs me of motivation and i dont get things done.

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