Re: Child Molesting Priests
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Originally posted by Dr.Evil
I can't believe what i'm seeing in the media lately. no, i'm not surprised that priests molest little children because this has been going on for decades, if not centuries. what bothers me is the fact that all the media and the churches are making such a big deal of whether or not the offending priests should be banned from the church... there is also controversy of a "one strike and you're out" policy for future priest sex offenders and some priests think that these rules are too harsh...wtf?! banned from the church... are you kidding? these people should be criminally prosecuted by the DA like the rest of the population who commit sex crimes and be sent to prison, not just banned from the friggin church! some things just don't make friggin sense to me...
it's such a strange situation, the problem with prosecuting these sex offenders is that politicians are scared shitless. if any specific politician moves against the church, they run the risk of losing support from the church both financially and as far as diminished votes in an upcoming election. religion is held so sacred by so many people, that even with such a horrible scandal that we are seeing today, they will still back the church 100%. well just my opinion at least. the church carries alot of weight and pull with it.
Re: Re: Child Molesting Priests
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Originally posted by jbrand
if any specific politician moves against the church, they run the risk of losing support from the church both financially and as far as diminished votes in an upcoming election.
Let me run for office, I'd propose a bill making castration mandatory for ALL sex offenders, not just child molesters. I'd be in and out of office in half a term.
It sickens me to know that polititians are more worried about thier career than the well being of innocent children!:cry:
Re: Child Molesting Priests
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Originally posted by Dr.Evil
I can't believe what i'm seeing in the media lately. no, i'm not surprised that priests molest little children because this has been going on for decades, if not centuries. what bothers me is the fact that all the media and the churches are making such a big deal of whether or not the offending priests should be banned from the church
Hey Doc E, I completely agree with your and everyone elses input. The one thing that jumped out at me out of all of this was the fact that you (and assuming millions of others) already knew this was going on!!!!
Why has it been tolerated by church members to date. I am not Catholic, nor do I really know anthing about Catholicism. I understand the Church is strong - with politicians and members. I can't grasp that the church carries so much weight that the members would even begin to tolerate it. I don't understand.
Even if I found out a family member committed such an act, I wouldn't tolerate it. To see these people tolerating it as a church member alone, makes no sense to me. I believe religion should be an important part of your life, but what all should you sacrifice before saying enough is enough??????
peace,
ttgb :lift:
The church is lame...bunch of molesting red neck crackers
They should be held responsible like normal citizens.
The vow of celebicy needs to be addressed. If they were allowed to have normal, functional sex, the molesting might not happen. If you repress a natural sexual appetite ( for adults), then it is bound to prop up in some sick twisted way, like molesting kids.
Also the whole church and it dinosaur idea/rules really need an update. The church has a lot to answer for.
Either move with the times or die.
Re: well , a couple things
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Originally posted by 47john
either you care about a child being molested or you dont , so tryingtogetbig , i am not sure why you dont care whether they were molested or not , at that point they were the innocent child having their innocence taken from them , it should factor in to the whole equation . i mean if someone cared about it , maybe they wouldnt have grown up to take it out on others , however i do respect your opinion as well.
hey there 47john, i hear what you are saying. i do think it is regretful they (the molesting priests) were themselves victims of child molestation when they were younger (if this is indeed the case). But, when a person reachs adulthood they should know right from wrong at that point. actually, i would think this type of person would know better than anyone else how horrific child molestation is.
personally, i am sick of society always trying to find something to blame people's mistakes on. for example, i don't care if you grow up getting beat as a child, that's no excuse to beat your own children (i am not talking about reasonable discipline here either). we all have life experiences that begin way back in our childhood and are eternally making us who we are. if you commit the act, any act whether immoral or criminal, you should be punished with equal, or even worse, punishment accordingly.
i get tired of hearing people talk about trying to "rehabilitate" offenders. tell that to the parents of the children that were molested. "hey parents, the sex offender has been rehabilitated now and is back on the street." F that!
My final thought: Once you are an adult you should know right from wrong. If you are a priest, you damn sure should know right from wrong. If you were molested as a child yourself and now you are around children and think you might commit the same acts, then get some fucking help or kill yourself! Or, get away from children altogether (that would be waaaayyy to simple though). There are only a few things that really get me going. One is definitely children.
Again, these are just my personal opinions I am expressing. They are not meant as an attack or flame on anyone's posts.
peace,
ttgb :lift:
Re: well , a couple things
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Originally posted by 47john
i also doubt that the church breeds this , many men keep their vows and will give anything of themselves for another person .
these men were molesters already who saw an oppurtunity to have access to victims .
No doubt that many Roman Catholic Priests are good an honourable men, who keep their vows for there life as a priest.
But The Roman Catholic Church cannot be absolved (no pun intended) from the present situation, in light of the fact that more than one Church Official has been involved in "moving around" instead of disciplining and/or expelling the molesters.
The records so far made public have shown that most if not all of the offending Priests have been shifted to other parishes instead of being prosecuted for sex crimes. Also the Church is implicated in many acts of covering up these crimes or trying to hide them, by paying settlements before cases go to court, as such would be called "hush money" and this could not have been done without the compliance of Bishops, Archbishops and Cardinals, the very men that have the power to change things and didn't. They chose to ignore, coddle and shift around the molesters.
To say the Church doesn't breed this, is to show ignorance of this complex issue. The Church needs to have a better standard of psychological studies done before taking on the vows of these men, so as they could weed out the molesters before they come in the fold. This is not a new problem within the Roman Church and they have bred it, and nutured it for many years.
I respectfully disagree with you 47John.
Re: Child Molesting Priests
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Originally posted by Dr.Evil
I can't believe what i'm seeing in the media lately. no, i'm not surprised that priests molest little children because this has been going on for decades, if not centuries. what bothers me is the fact that all the media and the churches are making such a big deal of whether or not the offending priests should be banned from the church... there is also controversy of a "one strike and you're out" policy for future priest sex offenders and some priests think that these rules are too harsh...wtf?! banned from the church... are you kidding? these people should be criminally prosecuted by the DA like the rest of the population who commit sex crimes and be sent to prison, not just banned from the friggin church! some things just don't make friggin sense to me...
Thought we were talking about the offenders (priests/child molestors), not so much the offendees (children)?
Maybe I missed something here?
peace,
ttgb :lift:
Re: well to me its just interesting
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Originally posted by 47john
..anyway all this "if anyone ever did ... then i would..." stuff sounds like a bunch of fantasy land crap to me .
Definitely not one of my fantasies, just a reality I hope that I never have to face.
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Originally posted by 47john
...if this was to happen to one of our children , it would be best to worry about the child . not the offender .
I am sure thats what the offender would want. I think maybe that's whats been going on for many years now. Maybe more concentration on the child molestor (priests in this case) would have put a stop to this years ago. I don't know, just my thoughts. I appreciate that we can disagree and stay civil. I respect that.
peace,
ttgb :lift:
Re: well to me its just interesting
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Originally posted by 47john
i dont know canes but to me you cant blame the actions of a select few on a whole group of people . my gf lived in a small town and in that town there was several catholic churches , as there are several more in every town . most of them just help people and show love to those in need , while teaching the word of God .
47John, I again respectfully disagree with your absolving of the Church. If you re-read and if don't want to I will quote myself
"No doubt that many Roman Catholic Priests are good an honourable men, who keep their vows for there life as a priest"
However the fact remains that much of the Church hierarchy is involved in coverups, but as in the case of the Bishop of Palm Beach here in Florida, who is himself accused of molesting children. In a Miami Herald exposé of about 2 weeks ago, the article alleged that the Bishop not only molested children for years, he also knew of at least one other offending priest that he was a friend of, who was caught 3 times, and the only thing ever done for this guy was after the 3rd case they sent him to 6 months of "councelling" and afterwards he was placed right back in a position at a parish with a boys school, and this man was placed as teacher in that school. He should have NEVER seen the light of day in that school hallways. The Bishop knew better, but still aquiesced to the pleadings that the priest had changed.
Guess what ? Two months after the priest was placed in the school, he was charged with molesting another young boy, but this time the media got hold of it and the Bishop had to finally act.
Also there is the more well known case that is going on in Boston, between Cardinal Archbishop Law & Rev. Father Shanley. Shanley who was known for years to be a member of NAMBLA (North American Man Boy Love Association.....a real sicko organization who believes in molesting young boys) and even had the audacity to hold NAMBLA sex orgies in his Church Rectory. Yesterday 800 pages of Church documents, many of which are in the writing of Cardinal Law, document NO DISCIPLINE of Father Shanley but only offer "comfort of our brother" and talk about shifting his position to another parish. Cardinal Law KNEW what a sicko this guy was yet he did NOTHING to make him pay for a the crimes he had committed.
Also there was the astonishing admission from the Archdiocese of Los Angles which has recently admitted to payoffs in the last 20 years totalling $ 1 billion....yes you read that right $ 1 billion in their Diocese alone as HUSH MONEY to cover up and hide away the shame that is permeating the Roman Church. Think of the help that $ 1 billion could have done for alieviating the suffering of the poor in the Los Angeles area ? People gave money out of their hearts to help the poor and needy, yet their good money was being used by the corrupt Church Hierarchy to pay off hush money for the molesting of children by the very priests that were telling everyone from their pulpits you are condemned to hell for having a child out of marriage or getting a divorce.
Poppycock to that crock of BS !!!!
That to me smacks of a more widespread problem than you perceive it to be 47John, so once again my brother I respectfully disagree with you.