Ok this is hard but i'll ask

**Prol** · 10-23-2005, 04:47 PM

Ok this is hard for me too say but ....whatever i been hearing that hgh is great for people living with HIV ,my G/f is hiv positive i'm negative ,we had a bby and it's negative also(thank to the Lord) .................she hasn't needed to go on any pills jet .her cd4 ok and viral load are very low that how we where able to have the bby ,but i'm interested in hgh becuase if it works to lower the Viral load and bring up the imune system it would be great cuase the pills are like very harsh and she would have more artillery for when or if things get worse .also i don't think that the virus gets used to hgh as it does with the pills ........has anybody read up on anything regaurding
this ..........the reason why i ask is because Doctors here are very under studied and dont know much about any of the new treatments and please if you don;t have anything constructive to say please dont post on this theard .......thankyou

**Prol** · 10-23-2005, 04:50 PM

i would love to hear hookers opinion not as a doc but what he has read up on it

**J.S.N.** · 10-23-2005, 05:01 PM

i do know that GH is commonly prescibed to HIV patients. in fact i believe some of them sell it to bbers as they don't need all the GH in their kit by a long shot. personally i wouldn't want to use such a source but for some people hey it's medical grade gear.

**Prol** · 10-23-2005, 05:11 PM

i really want to make her feel alive again ....i don't now how to say it .....but it so hard some times when she gets so deppressed when she sees are bby and doesn't know how much time she has still ........i tel her everyday that people don't die for hiv anymore with good treatment but i'm not in her shoes and it's very hard ........it has not been once or twice that shes cryed herself to sleep ......it breaks my haert all the time but ......thats why i work like a MFing slave all day so she will never have to worry about anything regarding her treatment ....

**Prol** · 10-23-2005, 05:37 PM

bump!!!! jst trying to get some input

**powerliftmike** · 10-23-2005, 05:37 PM

Originally Posted by Prol

i really want to make her feel alive again ....i don't now how to say it .....but it so hard some times when she gets so deppressed when she sees are bby and doesn't know how much time she has still ........i tel her everyday that people don't die for hiv anymore with good treatment but i'm not in her shoes and it's very hard ........it has not been once or twice that shes cryed herself to sleep ......it breaks my haert all the time but ......thats why i work like a MFing slave all day so she will never have to worry about anything regarding her treatment ....

Sorry to hear bro. You are good man to stay with her. Yeah, alot of pills are very hard on the body. rhGH, while not curing any problem, should be of help. I would suggest finding an endocrinologist in your area. Your girlfriend should see an improvement in 'quality of life' and have a strengthened immune system. I am currently studying GH in more detail and have studies backing up my claims. PM me and I will try to help out. All the best for your newborn.

**305GUY** · 10-23-2005, 05:47 PM

Originally Posted by powerliftmike

Sorry to hear bro. You are good man to stay with her.

Definitely sounds like Prol has a heart of gold. Good luck to you and your family Prol.

**Prol** · 10-23-2005, 05:52 PM

Thanks powerliftmike .......for the input. i was talking with hemo something doctor forgot the name of what he was and he said that he knows what rhgh is some of basic treatments use but never heard of using to help keep the viral load down ......i been to a million doctors and they all don't know shit ...all they want to do is give her pills until it hurts and her viral load isn't high at all and in Eu and Usa i read that the doctor don't give treatment until the viral load is at med level so that the patient virus doesn't get imune to the medicen ........I'm seriously thinking on taking her to the usa for a checkup and for a better treatment plan ....cause i don;t a doesn't know shit doc give pills out like it was halloween ........powerliftmike you think you can send me some of the studies that show that it does improve the imune ....if you can PM and i'll send you my email ...........thanks ......oohhh and i'm not a good guy for staying with her shes the great girl for having me and giving me ultimate gift of life which is my little girl

**Prol** · 10-23-2005, 05:56 PM

what i want is to show some of the studies to some doc and make them read up and see whe're we can start ..........and to see if it's a good idea and the find out what is the best dose..........shes 29 so i dont think shes still producing mcuh gh of her own

**Prol** · 10-23-2005, 06:53 PM

bump

**powerliftmike** · 10-23-2005, 07:45 PM

I will have to dig them up and I can email you a pdf but here is one: "Beneficial effects of long-term GH replacement therapy on quality of life in adults with GH deficiency." Clinical Endocrinology 1998 Vol 48 p613-620. Lena Wiren, Bengt-Ake Bengtsson and Gudmundur Johannsson.

**Prol** · 10-23-2005, 10:57 PM

thanks i'll try to find it on the web .......

**powerliftmike** · 10-24-2005, 06:02 AM

Originally Posted by Prol

thanks i'll try to find it on the web .......

I will probably have to send it to you by email, since those journals are restricted in use and you must subscribe to them. If you have a local university they might have access tho. Just PM me your email.

**darmadoc** · 10-24-2005, 07:14 AM

HGH was used in wasting, a problem rarely seen in patients with suppressed viral loads. It has no effect on viral load by itself, and is no, and should not be, considered a primary treatment for HIV. The key here is agressive treatment of the virus. The drugs may be tough, but with the many choices available, most patients can be given a regimen that works, and is tolerable. With these drugs we have seen patients go from dying in a few years, to having normal life-spans. One way to think about the need for permanent pills, is to compare it to high blood pressure or cholesterol. Take the meds and you have a controlled chronic illness. Stop the meds and you are going to have problems.

**powerliftmike** · 10-24-2005, 08:26 AM

Originally Posted by darmadoc

HGH was used in wasting, a problem rarely seen in patients with suppressed viral loads. It has no effect on viral load by itself, and is no, and should not be, considered a primary treatment for HIV. The key here is agressive treatment of the virus. The drugs may be tough, but with the many choices available, most patients can be given a regimen that works, and is tolerable. With these drugs we have seen patients go from dying in a few years, to having normal life-spans. One way to think about the need for permanent pills, is to compare it to high blood pressure or cholesterol. Take the meds and you have a controlled chronic illness. Stop the meds and you are going to have problems.

This is true. I am merely speaking of HGH in general. I have no experience with HIV's effects on the body. I don't how much it will help, but it can't hurt. HGH is quite expensive and so money may be better spent elsewhere tho.

**IronFreakX** · 10-24-2005, 08:49 AM

vitamin C , tons of it , maybe as much as 50 grams oral , and either IM or IV thru-out the day

http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/vitcaids.htm

**HeavyHitter** · 10-24-2005, 09:08 AM

I dont know much either... but I have been on GABA for a while and I know it stimulates your pituitary glands which cause you to produce more GH. Can look into that as well! maybe as a pre-game to direct GH shots.... good luck man and sorry to hear about your wife and god bless for your child!!!

**stayinstacked** · 10-24-2005, 09:11 AM

How did she get the HIV virus? Did she have it before you guys met? Forgive me for asking, but I'm just curious. Nevertheless, your a good man for doing what your doing, it takes a special person to be able to handle a situation like that. Peace

**Prol** · 10-24-2005, 09:45 AM

Originally Posted by stayinstacked

How did she get the HIV virus? Did she have it before you guys met? Forgive me for asking, but I'm just curious. Nevertheless, your a good man for doing what your doing, it takes a special person to be able to handle a situation like that. Peace

she had a very bad car accident about the time we started dating .......... i couldn't get fast to the hospital to donate blood so they had to use the blood from don't know if it was the blood bank .........When i heard they used that blood without testing it out first i felt something stabbing me in the chest ............knowing the deffciency of the medical system in my country i was crying from the get go don't know why .......so after about 2 month after the accident i took my gf to get test in my fears were confirmed ........i wanted to kill myself for not being able to be there and not stopping it or just i don't know i think i took it harder than her ......so after that we been taking every day by day ....................it's been 2 and 1/2 years after that we have a very active sexlife like anyone have a daughter and i'm still negative .......The reason why i'm asking is becuase i'm trying to use alternatives to the pills she has used them in they are so fvking harsh on her .........she takes alot of vitamin c and believe it or not almonds help a hell alot she eat them for 6 months and the viral load went very down ......i i'm justing planning ahead on alternatives....................

**Prol** · 10-24-2005, 09:54 AM

I'm cool with anything if you want to ask me anything .......i now that there's alot of WTF thinking when it comes to +/- couples .................

**SHRED** · 10-24-2005, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by Prol

i really want to make her feel alive again ....i don't now how to say it .....but it so hard some times when she gets so deppressed when she sees are bby and doesn't know how much time she has still ........i tel her everyday that people don't die for hiv anymore with good treatment but i'm not in her shoes and it's very hard ........it has not been once or twice that shes cryed herself to sleep ......it breaks my haert all the time but ......thats why i work like a MFing slave all day so she will never have to worry about anything regarding her treatment ....

You have a good heart bro.

**IronFreakX** · 10-24-2005, 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by Prol

she had a very bad car accident about the time we started dating .......... i couldn't get fast to the hospital to donate blood so they had to use the blood from don't know if it was the blood bank .........When i heard they used that blood without testing it out first i felt something stabbing me in the chest ............knowing the deffciency of the medical system in my country i was crying from the get go don't know why .......so after about 2 month after the accident i took my gf to get test in my fears were confirmed ........i wanted to kill myself for not being able to be there and not stopping it or just i don't know i think i took it harder than her ......so after that we been taking every day by day ....................it's been 2 and 1/2 years after that we have a very active sexlife like anyone have a daughter and i'm still negative .......The reason why i'm asking is becuase i'm trying to use alternatives to the pills she has used them in they are so fvking harsh on her .........she takes alot of vitamin c and believe it or not almonds help a hell alot she eat them for 6 months and the viral load went very down ......i i'm justing planning ahead on alternatives....................

Vitamin C if not used in HUGE amouts to reach bowel tolerance is really useless , She can live a very comfortable life with HIV if she takes tons of vitamin C ( remember to take IV too , since its 2.5 times more potent than oral) and other vitamins and supps listed in the site i gave you..

**bigbouncinballs** · 10-24-2005, 12:34 PM

my father had full blown AIDs for many years, 5-10 if im not mistaken. it is currently undetectable. this is from aggressive treatment like darmadoc said. i have seen my father so weak and so broken down from what those drugs do for extended periods of time. but he fought through it and is now quite healthy. let me add that diet(and i mean strict diet) and excercise are key components of his treatment. i know that in the Dom. Rep. things are a little less advanced or available. do your research, if you have to, and you have the means, fly to florida and meet with a specialist for a protocol. this would be well worth your money.
good luck with it... and be aggressive. have her take the drugs now in hopes of returning to a normal life instead of having her take the drugs later simply to keep her alive.
again, good luck. (luck has nothing to do with it, determination,diet and treatment will do wonders.)

**Prol** · 10-24-2005, 09:05 PM

I really want to say thankyou ...cause i got alot of support and info and help ............i really never told anyone the only once that know are me and her .....she hasn't told her family nor mine cuase people here are very .......retarded. once a nurse or to doctor said something to someone in our town and it spread like a wild fire and everyone shut us out ...they thought she was a whore or something.......i had to get tested get a false test result for her cuase i mean everyone shut us out ........got a lawyer and threatend everyone at the hospital to shut the fckup or shut it down (i have a friend that is one of the biggest law firmes in the country). It was even in the media .A big ass nightmare i thought i was going to lose her .....she was just in hell ........i swear i must of gotten into like 20 fights in less than 4 months i was very MAD and depressed at everything . i REALLY want to thank you guy for everthing i got a big ass load of my chest ........you guy are worth Milliones ...thanks

**Prol** · 04-01-2006, 10:54 PM

For those who don't know whats my story..............
Ps.we broke up 2 months ago haven't heard from her .............I feel dead

**FranKieC** · 04-01-2006, 11:02 PM

Originally Posted by Prol

For those who don't know whats my story..............
Ps.we broke up 2 months ago haven't heard from her .............I feel dead

Bro I'm sorry to hear that. She should have felt very lucky to have a MAN like you by her side. Alot of people in that situation would have ran out on her but you stuck by her side. You shouldn't feel dead inside, just know that you did everything you could for her.

**firmechicano831** · 04-02-2006, 01:07 AM

Well just want to wish you, your baby and her the best even though you guys are not together. Hopefully she didnt leave because she though she was hurting you as well. I will pray for your family and everyone tonight and for peace on this earth.

**needmorestrength** · 04-02-2006, 01:16 AM

Originally Posted by Prol

she had a very bad car accident about the time we started dating .......... i couldn't get fast to the hospital to donate blood so they had to use the blood from don't know if it was the blood bank .........When i heard they used that blood without testing it out first i felt something stabbing me in the chest ............knowing the deffciency of the medical system in my country i was crying from the get go don't know why .......so after about 2 month after the accident i took my gf to get test in my fears were confirmed ........i wanted to kill myself for not being able to be there and not stopping it or just i don't know i think i took it harder than her ......so after that we been taking every day by day ....................it's been 2 and 1/2 years after that we have a very active sexlife like anyone have a daughter and i'm still negative .......The reason why i'm asking is becuase i'm trying to use alternatives to the pills she has used them in they are so fvking harsh on her .........she takes alot of vitamin c and believe it or not almonds help a hell alot she eat them for 6 months and the viral load went very down ......i i'm justing planning ahead on alternatives....................

wow dude... i dont know what to say, except.. you are agood guy!! but dont beat your self up!!

**GQ-Bouncer** · 04-02-2006, 01:29 AM

Originally Posted by Prol

For those who don't know whats my story..............
Ps.we broke up 2 months ago haven't heard from her .............I feel dead

That sucks dude, you have a great heart dude

just for everyones help on the board - how did you 2 have sex? so as to protect yourself from HIV? (outside of using a condom)

**slob** · 04-02-2006, 05:17 AM

thats incredible man.
i can't imagine how hard it would be for both of you to go through something like that.

**Booz** · 04-02-2006, 07:37 AM

Originally Posted by GQ-Bouncer

That sucks dude, you have a great heart dude

just for everyones help on the board - how did you 2 have sex? so as to protect yourself from HIV? (outside of using a condom)

you had to go and ask somethin like that didnt you..................

**SwoleCat** · 04-02-2006, 07:45 AM

It is a valid question.

I know it would scare me shitless having sex w/the female.

So much so that I couldn't take the risk, condom or not!

~SC~

**hotstuff** · 04-02-2006, 07:46 AM

Originally Posted by booz

you had to go and ask somethin like that didnt you..................

LOL. i was wondering the same thing myself.

you have a good heart Prol. Did she give you any reason for leaving? Maybe you should consider this a blessing.

**sonar1234** · 04-02-2006, 01:55 PM

There are many medical studies that stated whey protein to be a very good immune system booster, my father was on HMS90 when on chimo for colon cancer.

Glutamine is also very good for people who have HIV but you have to take like 40g a day.

Good luck to you and may God be with you on theses hard times.

**Timm1704** · 04-02-2006, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by SwoleCat

It is a valid question.

I know it would scare me shitless having sex w/the female.

So much so that I couldn't take the risk, condom or not!

~SC~

same here mate, wouldnt even bother taking the risk. itd be very similar to a bungee jump.. if the rubber snaps, your ****ed

**pattymac931** · 04-02-2006, 06:47 PM

srry bout ur gf man go to a doc is my suggeston

**Prol** · 04-02-2006, 07:30 PM

Originally Posted by GQ-Bouncer

That sucks dude, you have a great heart dude

just for everyones help on the board - how did you 2 have sex? so as to protect yourself from HIV? (outside of using a condom)

Well Dude,She was ver strict it was like no sex for 4 days before she would start PMSing and like no sex for like 4 days after so as to be sure nothing was left ..........She would like always check me if i had a rash or cut from the previous night .....stuff like that ....condoms always ..........it was a normal sex life ...we just had keep in mind alot of stuff before doing anything....which was like frustrating cause when i wanted to do anything it was almost like preping for an operation ,but not all the time only if we've had a very active week or couple of days ......which was like always ......
But if you guy have a spec. questiones about anything just ask .....i don't mind at all ......

P.S. When i see what i had to go threw but more importantly what my girlfriend has to live with and go threw and i see people still having unprotected sex with people they don't know and not giving a F#ck that they may destroy there lifes or the life of others ....no that is just makes me cry and want to kill them..........

**spound** · 04-02-2006, 07:53 PM

So how did you have a baby if you wore condoms when you had sex with her?
Just curious...

**Prol** · 04-02-2006, 09:26 PM

we used artificial inseminacion and drug cocktail at the second trimester of pregnancy ...........very expensive procedure in my country .....

**Ufa** · 04-02-2006, 09:41 PM

Sometime under hardship circumstances you can get GH for free from the manufactures. Look them up on the web and download the froms. You will
most likely have to have a Doctor's signature. Best of Luck.

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