**Marcus's HIT Dungeon**

[marcus300]

You guys ever do sissy squats, I think they are called?

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Year's ago i use to finish off a leg routine with these. Loved it but not used one for time. Very good old school apparatus

[marcus300]

Thanks big man maybe one day I'll be half your size lol glad to see you back in here

Your killing me cuz trust me..

[clarky.]

Don't you mean you did 3 sets of eccentric only ridiculously light dumbell curls for the injured arm?

Yes kel .

[clarky.]

Good stuff big guy & How's the arm feeling Clarky?

The Bi feels ok mate, the tendon is fucked the now so very sore some days.

[kelkel]

Nice! Feeling better is good sign, especially if it involves a female and the administration of pain. Hence my deep tissue massage appointment tomorrow .
I didn't get weekly laser treatments either. I think I got lasered 3 times maybe since all of this started. She only used it as a "kicker" after a few scraping session or if it was more inflamed and holding fluid.
The lasering didn't make a dramatic difference, but it did seem to accelerate the reduction in inflammation/swelling which freed things up a tad.
Anyway, good stuff, Kel. Hope the trend continues @ a rapid pace!

Not sure I'll get more lasering done. The main PT guy is going to discuss it more so we'll see. One odd thing though, left side of my quad on the same thigh was a bit tender. Looked in the mirror and it was discolored for about an 8" in length area from seemingly dissipating blood. I couldn't see it looking down as it's more to the side. Felt a bit painful though which is what made me look. PT seems to think I must have had some blood leakage. Possible from the PT's deep palpation the day before. Definitly surprised him and me as well.

One good thing I am healing quickly. He gave me the green light to start light smith squats (like 225) and see how they go. So, Thursday it's game on for this week then I'll have to rearrange my schedule again to add leg day back in. Yeah me. Going with a different schedule this time for a change of pace plus I need the extra day doing more volume lately. He said to do similar to what I've always done, ride the stationary bike for 5 minutes, extensions followed by light squats. No direct ham work other than the rehab stuff.

M-Chest n Bi's
T-Legs
W-Off
T-Shoulders n Tri's
F-Back

[clarky.]

Did back the night, had a good easy day at work so had plenty of nrg. Screamer of a session, right cbuffed the night like and no pain from the arm.

Low hammer row 2 working 1 drop

WG pd 1 working +rp DD

CG seated row 2 working DD. Cable

Db row face down on bench 1 working 1 drop

Rack pulls 2 working 1 drop

Db deads 2 wee light sets only 8ish 20kg felt like 50's

Straight arm pd's again 2 wee sets baby weight

Done and DONE!...

[TRA]

Not sure I'll get more lasering done. The main PT guy is going to discuss it more so we'll see. One odd thing though, left side of my quad on the same thigh was a bit tender. Looked in the mirror and it was discolored for about an 8" in length area from seemingly dissipating blood. I couldn't see it looking down as it's more to the side. Felt a bit painful though which is what made me look. PT seems to think I must have had some blood leakage. Possible from the PT's deep palpation the day before. Definitly surprised him and me as well.

One good thing I am healing quickly. He gave me the green light to start light smith squats (like 225) and see how they go. So, Thursday it's game on for this week then I'll have to rearrange my schedule again to add leg day back in. Yeah me. Going with a different schedule this time for a change of pace plus I need the extra day doing more volume lately. He said to do similar to what I've always done, ride the stationary bike for 5 minutes, extensions followed by light squats. No direct ham work other than the rehab stuff.

M-Chest n Bi's
T-Legs
W-Off
T-Shoulders n Tri's
F-Back

Yeah, if you're getting more blood dissipation it's leaky, as gravity probably did everything it was going to. That PT needs to not be aggressive with the fibers if you have fresh tears, he should know that. Probably thought he could get away with it because of the mass of your legs and age of the injury but should be hands off for now. Let those fibers heal, especially on the heals of stimulating the process with the dry needling. It's a very interesting mechanism that leads to advanced healing with the dry needling and I wish he wouldn't have mucked around with deep tissue but I'm sure it'll be fine.

I know you mentioned GH a while ago so that will help a lot as well.

Looking at your new split good to see you've joined the ranks of Monday being international chest day with the gun show to boot
Keep us posted on the leg routines and how the progress goes.

[TRA]

The Bi feels ok mate, the tendon is fucked the now so very sore some days.

Have you looked into TB500 at all Clarky? I am pretty sold on that stuff. Has done up tennis elbow and achilles tendinitis quickly for me.

[songdog]

Arms took a pic after one wk back I'm ok with it ATM only tho

- lying face down 35* on incline WG preachers elbows coward
W/u's
2w drop

- lying face down 35* on incline CG preachers elbows forward
2w drop + RP

- hammer curls
1w 3 drops(Avg'd only 3 reps on drops)

- cable drag curls
3w 8-12

- CG Cable curls
2w

- CG smith bench
135/225/275
1w(305) 9 + forced reps drop 275 6* + forced drop 225 8

- incline skulls
2w DD

- straight bar pushdowns
2w DD

-OH rope ext's
2w 8-12 + 1/4reps

- one arm cable rope pushdowns - lateral head
3w back to back 15-20reps

- rope pushdowns
2w

Great arm w/o 31 min I was moving man -
Here's a pic one wk in after my 6month drinking episode happy now though

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Looking good bro!

[TRA]

Just go with different underwear. Please.

Haha!

I was thinking if I had the balls to wear them to the gym I could probably get any machine I wanted if I hung around for a minute.

[marcus300]

Remarkable

Update

None of you know this but I came off TRT just over 6 months ago due to some health issues I was/ am going through, these issues aren't related to my therapy even though I am under my haematologist due to high RBC's which is because for years I was only donating blood on and off due to my work schedule and this caused things to rise into the danger area which I am having treatment for. I run high anyway I'm just a blood making machine lol. I don't want to go into why I had to come off therapy but I came off and all I've had in just over 6 months is 250mgs of TU around 3 months ago, so in total 250mgs in just over 6 months.

I have been on Nebido for over 10 years and I usually run around 30nmol/l ( 866ng/dl ) with all rest of my bloods in range except for recent issues. I don't need any AI my E is within range and everything is good to go except the HCT etc due to the above issues.

Now, this is remarkable I had a blood test recently and they tested my hormones. I've not got the full details yet but you would think for a guy who's been on TRT for around 13yrs and had Test levels of a 85 year old man my T after over 6 months without any T except the slight 250mg I slotted in it would be on the floor. Well I am 17.5nmol/l ( 504ng/dl ) that's fuking remarkable, I asked my endo about this and he tells me not a lot of people know this but Nebido takes around 15-18months to fully dial in and to get up to levels were this type of therapy is unique. He thinks I metabolize T very slowly and the build up over the years I've been on this therapy it will take along time to fully get out of my system.

I was shocked because I feel sh1t and feel like I have zero T in me but I am in range, the range for me is 6 - 25.8 ( 173 - 743 ) and I am 504 after just over 6 months off except 250 3 months ago. I would of thought I would be around the 3-6 mark if that to be honest especially after what's been going on with other things..

Fuking excellent therapy in the long run wooow

[kelkel]

Questions:

Did they pull any other hormone levels between the current one and 6 months ago?
Have they tested LH/FSH recently? I'd want to see what if any activity there is here. It's important to this equation.
If still zeroed out (LH/FSH) then it would back up the doctors claim regarding the slow metabolization of the 6 month old T/U.
If not and there is pituitary activity then it sheds doubt on this conjecture.
Without knowing these answers I'm skeptical about it but either way, it's remarkable.

[marcus300]

Questions:

Did they pull any other hormone levels between the current one and 6 months ago?
Have they tested LH/FSH recently? I'd want to see what if any activity there is here. It's important to this equation.
If still zeroed out (LH/FSH) then it would back up the doctors claim regarding the slow metabolization of the 6 month old T/U.
If not and there is pituitary activity then it sheds doubt on this conjecture.
Without knowing these answers I'm skeptical about it but either way, it's remarkable.

I know this time around I doubt they have tested my LH/FSH but years ago when I was pre trt and during the first 3 yrs of trt they did and they was zero activity in the LH/FSH department mate. To be honest I think they don't know what to think of it because its not what is expected. My T before I came off was between 800-900 if I can remember right and it doesn't drop all that much over the 12 week period. I was on every 11 weeks but I was running to high so they put me on every 12 weeks now I think they are going to put me back on soon at 13 weeks. Longer the better because it will help with my other bloods but will get my other results tomorrow see what my hct is..I guess the numbers doesn't matter because I feel like sh1t at 500ish or is this in my mind?

I remember when he stopped my prescription due to my T being high so I had to go 16 weeks once withot an injection and he pulled bloods and I was still 900 mark at 16 weeks. It fuking shocked me lol

[kelkel]

That is quite impressive Marcus. I'd still be very curious to verify this by testing those items before they put you back on T/U. It would answer all the questions and give some great insight for you AND your doctor. Not to mention us and all the guys we deal with here and in the TRT world.

[marcus300]

That is quite impressive Marcus. I'd still be very curious to verify this by testing those items before they put you back on T/U. It would answer all the questions and give some great insight for you AND your doctor. Not to mention us and all the guys we deal with here and in the TRT world.

I know, but getting these other here to do what you ask is a game of chess its not like the USA. I will know more when I get the results sent to me but I doubt I want to leave this any longer or even feel what under 10 feels like.

[kelkel]

I know, but getting these other here to do what you ask is a game of chess its not like the USA. I will know more when I get the results sent to me but I doubt I want to leave this any longer or even feel what under 10 feels like.

Totally understand. Maybe if you phrased it properly to the doc, as if it's a learning tool (whether it's the T/U or LH/FSH rising) he may himself be curious and want to learn something.....?

Bizz I see you lurking. What do you think?

[marcus300]

Totally understand. Maybe if you phrased it properly to the doc, as if it's a learning tool (whether it's the T/U or LH/FSH rising) he may himself be curious and want to learn something.....?

Bizz I see you lurking. What do you think?

Yeah I could try and see but the trt is the least of any worries and isn't a concern with issues going on, its just a procedure to see how the hormone panel is so they can make a decision if I can start up again. My level isn't a concern to other stuff going on but it was very interesting to me saying I feel so sh1t.

[kelkel]

YMy level isn't a concern to other stuff going on but it was very interesting to me saying I feel so sh1t.

No doubt you feel like crap. It's about half your normal reading.

[marcus300]

No doubt you feel like crap. It's about half your normal reading.

I'll see what they all say. If they keep me off trt longer I would think I'd drop off to the lower limits fast and I'm sure I'll get more bloods done. Will be interesting to see what i am but if thing's go ok I'll be going back on soon.

[hammerheart]

Totally understand. Maybe if you phrased it properly to the doc, as if it's a learning tool (whether it's the T/U or LH/FSH rising) he may himself be curious and want to learn something.....?

Bizz I see you lurking. What do you think?

I'd say I feel lucky when it comes to hematocrit and TRT due to that genetic thing I have posing an hard limit there and amount of Test or even AAS will ever overcome it, HCT and Hb are always going to stay normal.

About range and feeling like crap I would either point to SHBG and also take the very slow release of TU into account, less is going to reach tissues as compared to shorter ester yet same total level, imo (purely speculative).

[clarky.]

Have you looked into TB500 at all Clarky? I am pretty sold on that stuff. Has done up tennis elbow and achilles tendinitis quickly for me.

No never looked into it T.

[clarky.]

Morning fellas/ladies, awww man am in bits lol. Delts and traps the night, will give shoulder press a miss as my tri's are still very very fried.
Catch up the night.

[almostgone]

Morning, gang. Up to my ass in alligators at work. Very busy. Legs tonight.


Oh yeah, woke up to the first nosebleed of the season today. Love the cool temps, but dry air fvcks me up.

[marcus300]

No doubt you feel like crap. It's about half your normal reading.

Check out this chart on Nebido showing the slow build up of T levels, 1st chart is on the 1st injection and 2nd chart is 13th injection at 12 wk intervals. Now imagine this over my time period of time ive been on it and the smoothing effect Nebido as on the peaks and low range. You can see how someone who could possibly metabolizes T slowly the effect it would have on the balance of the two points. I can see from this that over time you could possibly lengthen the injection protocol due to rising T levels to keep them under control but what a remarkable compound over a long term period. I'd like to see in comparison TE at the same length with injections of every week, that would be interesting data

[songdog]

Good morning Marcus and the rest of you hitters.

[OdinsOtherSon]

Good morning all. It’s Friday eve!


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[NACH3]

Remarkable

Update

None of you know this but I came off TRT just over 6 months ago due to some health issues I was/ am going through, these issues aren't related to my therapy even though I am under my haematologist due to high RBC's which is because for years I was only donating blood on and off due to my work schedule and this caused things to rise into the danger area which I am having treatment for. I run high anyway I'm just a blood making machine lol. I don't want to go into why I had to come off therapy but I came off and all I've had in just over 6 months is 250mgs of TU around 3 months ago, so in total 250mgs in just over 6 months.

I have been on Nebido for over 10 years and I usually run around 30nmol/l ( 866ng/dl ) with all rest of my bloods in range except for recent issues. I don't need any AI my E is within range and everything is good to go except the HCT etc due to the above issues.

Now, this is remarkable I had a blood test recently and they tested my hormones. I've not got the full details yet but you would think for a guy who's been on TRT for around 13yrs and had Test levels of a 85 year old man my T after over 6 months without any T except the slight 250mg I slotted in it would be on the floor. Well I am 17.5nmol/l ( 504ng/dl ) that's fuking remarkable, I asked my endo about this and he tells me not a lot of people know this but Nebido takes around 15-18months to fully dial in and to get up to levels were this type of therapy is unique. He thinks I metabolize T very slowly and the build up over the years I've been on this therapy it will take along time to fully get out of my system.

I was shocked because I feel sh1t and feel like I have zero T in me but I am in range, the range for me is 6 - 25.8 ( 173 - 743 ) and I am 504 after just over 6 months off except 250 3 months ago. I would of thought I would be around the 3-6 mark if that to be honest especially after what's been going on with other things..

Fuking excellent therapy in the long run wooow

Damn I nailed that one when we was talking didn’t I mate?! Lol

Your just an amazing responder to T... it’s all in the mind huh - you feel shit yet are still in the range of 504ng/dL fukin amazing! I’d love to see what Kel has asked as well about LH & FSH tbh

Glad things are on the up and up!

[NACH3]

Morning all - bis and tris are fukin hammered!

I’m thinking legs today myself

Hope u all have a great day!

[Cuz]

Mornin all, legs feel great today hit them fairly hard yesterday with back squats and lunges. Watched Dorians blood and guts while I trained, that's how you're supposed to train by God lol

Not sure if I'm gonna train today or not it might be difficult to do back today after legs the way they feel, I might get arms in we shall say. Have an awesome day

[kelkel]

Check out this chart on Nebido showing the slow build up of T levels, 1st chart is on the 1st injection and 2nd chart is 13th injection at 12 wk intervals. Now imagine this over my time period of time ive been on it and the smoothing effect Nebido as on the peaks and low range. You can see how someone who could possibly metabolizes T slowly the effect it would have on the balance of the two points. I can see from this that over time you could possibly lengthen the injection protocol due to rising T levels to keep them under control but what a remarkable compound over a long term period. I'd like to see in comparison TE at the same length with injections of every week, that would be interesting data

That's fascinating. First chart definitly shows the need for the booster at 6 weeks and very well sustained levels in chart 2.

[marcus300]

Mornin all, legs feel great today hit them fairly hard yesterday with back squats and lunges. Watched Dorians blood and guts while I trained, that's how you're supposed to train by God lol

Not sure if I'm gonna train today or not it might be difficult to do back today after legs the way they feel, I might get arms in we shall say. Have an awesome day

Fuk cuz that's sounds ideal. Yeah blood and guts

[Cuz]

Fuk cuz that's sounds ideal. Yeah blood and guts

I wished I had a training partner like Dorian did, man that guy was insane. I love HIT even more when I watch his videos.

[NACH3]

Legs

Ext’s
Pyramided up to stack avg’g 10reps until 285+
1w 3 drops +RP

Lying leg curls
Pyramided up 4x
1w 3drops

Static smith lunges
2w 225 8-12 reps

Leg press
2w high reps
1set = 12/10/8/6/4/2 reps 42 total reps each set wow what a burn

Adductor s/s abductor machines
2w each

Good stuff right there 38min

[kelkel]

Well this is odd. Just went and donated blood. My Hemo came in at 14.9 which is great. On June 22nd I donated and it was 15.1. Again just fine. Thing is I ran a low dose cycle of Test @ 400, Deca @ 250 with low dose var in the beginning to help heal my arm. Stopped the cycle about two weeks ago in prep for BW next month.

Strikes me as odd that after that run (albeit low dose) that my hemo came in slightly lower. Surprising to me, that's all.

[marcus300]

Well this is odd. Just went and donated blood. My Hemo came in at 14.9 which is great. On June 22nd I donated and it was 15.1. Again just fine. Thing is I ran a low dose cycle of Test @ 400, Deca @ 250 with low dose var in the beginning to help heal my arm. Stopped the cycle about two weeks ago in prep for BW next month.

Strikes me as odd that after that run (albeit low dose) that my hemo came in slightly lower. Surprising to me, that's all.

That is odd.

[marcus300]

Legs

Ext’s
Pyramided up to stack avg’g 10reps until 285+
1w 3 drops +RP

Lying leg curls
Pyramided up 4x
1w 3drops

Static smith lunges
2w 225 8-12 reps

Leg press
2w high reps
1set = 12/10/8/6/4/2 reps 42 total reps each set wow what a burn

Adductor s/s abductor machines
2w each

Good stuff right there 38min

How you feeling nach? You doing ok

[NACH3]

Well this is odd. Just went and donated blood. My Hemo came in at 14.9 which is great. On June 22nd I donated and it was 15.1. Again just fine. Thing is I ran a low dose cycle of Test @ 400, Deca @ 250 with low dose var in the beginning to help heal my arm. Stopped the cycle about two weeks ago in prep for BW next month.

Strikes me as odd that after that run (albeit low dose) that my hemo came in slightly lower. Surprising to me, that's all.

Woulda thought it’d have been higher than 15.1 for sure even if it was by just a few .10ths I’ve never seen someone with such good BW Kel that’s a great thing!

[TRA]

Well this is odd. Just went and donated blood. My Hemo came in at 14.9 which is great. On June 22nd I donated and it was 15.1. Again just fine. Thing is I ran a low dose cycle of Test @ 400, Deca @ 250 with low dose var in the beginning to help heal my arm. Stopped the cycle about two weeks ago in prep for BW next month.

Strikes me as odd that after that run (albeit low dose) that my hemo came in slightly lower. Surprising to me, that's all.

Compare your BUN for hydration status maybe. Personally I always track Hct instead of Hb as you can run with higher Hb and normal crit without being at risk from what my Heme/Onc recommended.

[NACH3]

How you feeling nach? You doing ok

I’m doing well, mate! Tbh I haven’t felt this good in a long time! I know I’ll have my ups and downs but so far by working the program and having my first session with a therapist today I know I have lots of work to do but for the first time ever I actually want to do the work! Im grateful for today and look forward to tomorrow

Yesterday I went and had an MRI on my spine(to check the discs) but that pain seems to have subsided greatly - also got one on my Shoulder I’m hoping that no screws backed out in between the joint so we shall see... even after a wk back in the gym my body is feeling much much better! It’s the extended time off and the drinking that was fukin with my head thinking I had more pain than I did tbh...

Thx for asking buddy

[TRA]

Off to hit shoulders. Looking into a lateral approach for total knee, which may have a much quicker rehab time and spares the quad tendon from cut. No different outcomes for normal knees (if not valgus) other than early up front with less pain and more mobility. This seems of paramount importance because you can rehab and decrease atrophy and potential connective tissue injury due to prolonged inactivity and immobility but I don't see it detailed in the studies. Will consult and see. Still in a quandary on the weight issue. Makes sense to drop a bunch of weight first to see if I can avoid surgery so thinking I might shift from body recomp I am currently doing to a cutting routine last six weeks of go juice. Any thoughts on this? Test/NPP/TBol (ends in 2 days), will start some GH stimulating peptides this week. Was thinking I could spare muscle loss with what's on board and see if I can drop maybe 15lbs in next 6 wks with aggressive keto...