Moon landing fact or fiction?

[Fcastle357]

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[Hazard]

Oh for fvcks sake..... I can't handle another debate/discussion lol

[austinite]

I was there last week, bro. It's all good.

[Java Man]

Oh please. Not this conspiracy theory again. I've been hearing this all my life. I guess the millions of photographs and who knows how many terabytes of data from all space missions since are also fake?

Do also believe in Santa Clause and the Tooth Fairy? I do. Prove they don't exist.

[Fcastle357]

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[Euroholic]

I like to believe it was real but lets just say it was a hoax. The americans were in need to beat the soviets in the space race. So the question is if they couldn't get to the moon are they brazen enough to fake it and cover it up for over 40 year? I think not. Leaks happen i doubt a secret this big would not have been leaked some how.

One theory i herd was the moon landing was real but the photos and footage were faked.

[Euroholic]

Oh for fvcks sake..... I can't handle another debate/discussion lol

I feel ya mate. I thought the lounge was for chilling

[Java Man]

Sorry. I thought that (my post) was funny. I'm not angry. Too much science has been gathered since the 60's for me to even discuss the concept you proposed in a serious manner so I guess I can't be part of a discussion on it. Nothing would change my mind.

[AlphaMike]

Don't know man. The original could have been fake, highly doubt though that the entire modern space program is a hoax. Wouldn't be too hard to cover up the original (if it was a hoax) because was like 50 fukin years ago and nobody really cares

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of cos it's real.
look, i got a pic, almost bought a t-shirt too.

[Euroholic]

Why edit the thread op?

[Fcastle357]

Why edit the thread op?

To much hassle. Not looking to stir up a bunch of sh!t.

[cgi]

Moon landing conpiracy isn't a good one. Better off discussing more probable conspiracies like the JFK murder, 9/11, operation fast and furious, the gulf of tonkin incident, watergate scandal, iran contra, irs targeting, NSA spying.

[bass]

of cos it's real.
look, i got a pic, almost bought a t-shirt too.

haha, classic! love it. what I want to know is how do they take photos of our milky way from space far away? we're talking millions light years away! just asking

[Honkey_Kong]

Moon landing conpiracy isn't a good one. Better off discussing more probable conspiracies like the JFK murder, 9/11, operation fast and furious, the gulf of tonkin incident, watergate scandal, iran contra, irs targeting, NSA spying.

The Gulf of Tonkin incident really never happened. McNamara even admitted to it in the last revision (right before he died) to his autobiography/version of The Vietnam War, "In Retrospect." In fact, with newly declassified transcripts, there is proof that the Senate knew about this too during the Vietnam War and still went along with it.

If you guys ever want to get a really good story of Vietnam from the perspective of one of the major architects of it, read that book. A lot of the book was McNamara flat out lying, but there is a lot of fact and admission of guilt too in it. It's a lot different of a story than the ones the media has told.

But yeah, if you want proof of the lunar landing, all you need to do is get a good enough telescope so that you can see the reflectors that they left there on the Apollo missions. We use them still to this day to determine the rate that the moon is drifting away from earth.

[Euroholic]

^^^^^^ i still think vietnam was a success. Communism did not spread down south east asia and threaten australia. If only we wiped them out one by one we would have a friendly Government over there.

[JJ78]

Why have we never been back? Or any country for that matter?

[Rwy]

Isnt all space exploration suspended because we are in a little bit of debt lol

[JJ78]

I'm not saying it didnt happen, but.

Supposedly the only reason that we attempted such an undertaking was to 1 up the Russians at the time. And it was a success. So why not go back? There has to be a lot to be learned by going up there and exploring. Its been over 50 years.

Theres nothing wrong with questioning what youve been told as fact.

[JJ78]

Moon landing conpiracy isn't a good one. Better off discussing more probable conspiracies like the JFK murder, 9/11, operation fast and furious, the gulf of tonkin incident, watergate scandal, iran contra, irs targeting, NSA spying.

All reasons why to question all that youve been told by your government.
Dont forget Pearl Harbor. And the fact that the US was funding Hitlers War machine the whole time he was invading countries. And murdering all those people.

[cgi]

All reasons why to question all that youve been told by your government.
Dont forget Pearl Harbor. And the fact that the US was funding Hitlers War machine the whole time he was invading countries. And murdering all those people.

Oh yeah which reminds me, don't forget about the gas chambers conspiracy. I'm very skeptical about the 6 million jews figure, I don't even think there were 6 million jews in the region during that time. There's no real evidence that gas chambers were used for any other purpose other than delousing. Most died from being worked to death in labor camps, typhus, starvation, disease, and getting shot.

[Flagg]

Don't you think the Russians would have noticed the lack of a rocket leaving earth if it was faked?

[ironbeck]

I wasn't there so I really don't know who to believe anymore?

[AlphaMike]

Oh yeah which reminds me, don't forget about the gas chambers conspiracy. I'm very skeptical about the 6 million jews figure, I don't even think there were 6 million jews in the region during that time. There's no real evidence that gas chambers were used for any other purpose other than delousing. Most died from being worked to death in labor camps, typhus, starvation, disease, and getting shot.

Is that a joke?

Moon landing conpiracy isn't a good one. Better off discussing more probable conspiracies like the JFK murder, 9/11, operation fast and furious, the gulf of tonkin incident, watergate scandal, iran contra, irs targeting, NSA spying.

The problem with conspiracy theorists is that they seem to inevitably go insane after a while. That being said, any hunter,or recreational gun user knows for a fact that a head doesn't snap backwards towards impact so yeah the JFK thing was obvious bullshit.

[cgi]

Is that a joke?


The problem with conspiracy theorists is that they seem to inevitably go insane after a while. That being said, any hunter,or recreational gun user knows for a fact that a head doesn't snap backwards towards impact so yeah the JFK thing was obvious bullshit.

Not a joke.

Also I'm a gun owner and user and builder and his head didn't snap towards impact, you must have watched the Oliver Stone movie too much. The shot was behind him but not directly behind, it was at an angle and the way the wound was and where the shot came from seem t correspond. What I CAN tell you as a gun owner is that shot is practically impossible especially with the kind of shitty rifle he was using, even a navy seal sniper wouldn't be able to take such a shot.

[AlphaMike]

Not a joke.

Also I'm a gun owner and user and builder and his head didn't snap towards impact, you must have watched the Oliver Stone movie too much. The shot was behind him but not directly behind, it was at an angle and the way the wound was and where the shot came from seem t correspond. What I CAN tell you as a gun owner is that shot is practically impossible especially with the kind of shitty rifle he was using, even a navy seal sniper wouldn't be able to take such a shot.

I don't get it...are you agreeing with me? I've seen the diagrams and the zapruder film. Not an impossible single shot, but the terminal ballistics were incorrect so its quite obvious that he was shot at least once from the front. SEALS aren't the best snipers btw (I'm biased )

Oh yeah which reminds me, don't forget about the gas chambers conspiracy. I'm very skeptical about the 6 million jews figure, I don't even think there were 6 million jews in the region during that time. There's no real evidence that gas chambers were used for any other purpose other than delousing. Most died from being worked to death in labor camps, typhus, starvation, disease, and getting shot.

I'm not touchin this.

[cgi]

I don't get it...are you agreeing with me? I've seen the diagrams and the zapruder film. Not an impossible single shot, but the terminal ballistics were incorrect so its quite obvious that he was shot at least once from the front. SEALS aren't the best snipers btw (I'm biased )

I'm not touchin this.

I honestly don't know. But go look at the zapruder footage again. When he gets shot and his face is blown off, the shot clearly comes from behind him and you can see the wound cavity starting from the right back side of his head and moving towards the front and the tissue flies forward in the direction of the bullet which was shot at an angle from behind and draws a direct line back to the building they claim Oswald shot him from. It's hard to believe such a shot could be made.

[Fcastle357]

Since there is a little interest in this I put up a couple things. I was content to let it die.

How many Americans believe that the Moon Landing was a hoax ?
The Moon Landing Conspiracy Theorists were initially labelled as crackpots and fools but recent Market Research studies have indicated that approximately 20% of Americans now believe that there is enough cumulative evidence to suggest that man never went to the moon - that the Lunar Landing was a hoax - a fake moon landing hoax - a Conspiracy Theory.

What reasons would the US Government have to fake such an event?
To answer such a question can only lie in space exploration history. The decade of the sixties was consumed by thoughts of the Cold War between Russia and the USA. The Russian launch of Sputnik terrified the USA due to the fear of nuclear annihilation. There was a real fear that the winners of the Space Race could build a Nuclear Missile Base on the Moon. Did this lead to the speculation about a Fake Moon Landing Hoax - a Conspiracy Theory?

[Flagg]

Lol a nuclear missile silo On the moon? Ridiculous amounts of fuel would be required as well absolutely state of the art targeting equipment. And back then, nah. No way. That would be difficult by even today's standards.

[Fcastle357]

Lol a nuclear missile silo On the moon? Ridiculous amounts of fuel would be required as well absolutely state of the art targeting equipment. And back then, nah. No way. That would be difficult by even today's standards.

You do realize science is different now. We are talking about the sixties. So for you just to say nah. That's what they were worried about so your nah argument doesn't hold water.

Thought I'd thrown in another bit for your nah argument
Dwight Eisenhower (1890-1969), President of the United States, dismissed the Sputnik as being insignificant. Many Americans, however, considered it as a symbolic nuclear weapon.

President Eisenhower had to face the reality that the Soviet Union was winning the "space race."
In 1958, President Eisenhower spent a bill to Congress to create NASA, the National Aeronautics and Space Administration. Congress passed the bill.

[Flagg]

Do you have any idea how much fuel would be required to fire a nuclear warhead from the moon to a target on earth? What if the launch was off by one degree? It would miss its target by miles.

[Fcastle357]

Do you have any idea how much fuel would be required to fire a nuclear warhead from the moon to a target on earth? What if the launch was off by one degree? It would miss its target by miles.

I understand. But people were scared. The u.s. was in a Cold War nuclear arms race. The Russians already launched Sputnik. Space was the next frontier in weapons this can't be argued this is a fact. Who ever got to the moon first won.

[songdog]

Not a joke.

Also I'm a gun owner and user and builder and his head didn't snap towards impact, you must have watched the Oliver Stone movie too much. The shot was behind him but not directly behind, it was at an angle and the way the wound was and where the shot came from seem t correspond. What I CAN tell you as a gun owner is that shot is practically impossible especially with the kind of shitty rifle he was using, even a navy seal sniper wouldn't be able to take such a shot.

I know a Navy seal couldn't make that shot.BUT a US Marine wouldn't have a problemLOL

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Do you have any idea how much fuel would be required to fire a nuclear warhead from the moon to a target on earth? What if the launch was off by one degree? It would miss its target by miles.

wouldnt the fuel required be rather low, since the moon's gravity is quite low.

and i always assumed that target accuracy depends on adjustment throughout the flight, not from the actual angle of launch.

[austinite]

You guys are all fools. There's no such thing as a "Moon".

Silly geese.

[Honkey_Kong]

You guys are all fools. There's no such thing as a "Moon".

Silly geese.

There isn't? Then what is this?:

[austinite]

^ I stand corrected.

[Hazard]

There isn't? Then what is this?:

That's a fvcking Touché if I've ever seen one haha

[Rida5d]

There isn't? Then what is this?:

^ I stand corrected.

lmao