So trt doc put me on crestor (dammit)

**--->>405<<---** · 01-23-2014, 01:21 PM

Well i guess it was bound to happen.

Cholesterol: 244
HDL: 59
LDL: 174

All equals Crestor 10mg per day

He is doing further testing to determine the size of "bad" cholesterol and maybe i wont have to take it. Have heart attack family history going back as far as i know of...

Not real happy nonetheless..

Anyone got anything on this???

**Lunk1** · 01-23-2014, 01:34 PM

Had you tried any herbal methods to lower cholesterol before this?

**--->>405<<---** · 01-23-2014, 01:56 PM

No..like what?

**Lunk1** · 01-23-2014, 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by --->>405<<---

No..like what?

Cholesteroff, Fax seed, psyllium, fish oil, oats, niacin, red yeast rice

**king6 II** · 01-23-2014, 02:41 PM

Your HDL is actually pretty good, as far as LDL try to increase your intake of soluble fiber, as mentioned above oats are good.

**--->>405<<---** · 01-23-2014, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

Cholesteroff, Fax seed, psyllium, fish oil, oats, niacin, red yeast rice

Originally Posted by king6 II

Your HDL is actually pretty good, as far as LDL try to increase your intake of soluble fiber, as mentioned above oats are good.

any recommendations on how much of this stuff I should try taking?

**satisfaction1822** · 01-23-2014, 03:34 PM

Could even add Metamucil.

**lovbyts** · 01-23-2014, 05:31 PM

I'm on it also. I really dont take it most of the time. I sort of believe high cholesterol does not necessarily equate to heart decease. Have you read about how crestor can cause muscle wasting?

**kelkel** · 01-23-2014, 05:36 PM

Read or youtube anything you can on Dr. Stephen Sinatra and his book "The Great Cholesterol Myth." Best out there on Cholesterol. Crisler has even said that if he ever has an issue he's seeing him and no one else. Note the CoQ10 mention on the right side of the page....

Dr. Stephen Sinatra on Cholesterol and Statin Drugs

**--->>405<<---** · 01-23-2014, 05:48 PM

for some reason this song wont go out of my head all of a sudden..

**Lunk1** · 01-23-2014, 05:59 PM

Cholesteroff from Walmart-follow directions
Fish oil-800-1000mg ED
Add a serving of oat meal a day and re-check in 4-6 weeks
cholesterol testing can vary a lot given on the day and the time you test.

AD · 01-23-2014, 06:11 PM

the numbers look a little bad but not terrible. what are your levels previously?

**Lunk1** · 01-23-2014, 06:15 PM

Originally Posted by AD

the numbers look a little bad but not terrible. what are your levels previously?

Wouldn't you agree AD, that the numbers are created as a reference range for medications to be prescribed and that in fact many have much higher than clinical range cholesterol without any issues? My doc gave me a statin and it's still sitting in my cupboard (unopened).

**--->>405<<---** · 01-23-2014, 06:21 PM

Originally Posted by AD

the numbers look a little bad but not terrible. what are your levels previously?

last time my total was 236 and LDL (i cant remember but it has gone up a bit.. maybe 150s ish..)

im gonna get that LDL mean particle size test. that determines if it is really dangerous. apparently only the small, fine particle LDL is bad.. the big, fat kind is not i think cuz it cant get into anything to clog it up or something like that. i also read the best approach to reducing the small particle LDL is thru diet..

that article Kel posted is very good.

**--->>405<<---** · 01-23-2014, 06:22 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

Cholesteroff from Walmart-follow directions
Fish oil-800-1000mg ED
Add a serving of oat meal a day and re-check in 4-6 weeks
cholesterol testing can vary a lot given on the day and the time you test.

got it buddy. hard to eat oats everyday when running no carb days..

**Lunk1** · 01-23-2014, 06:28 PM

Originally Posted by --->>405<<---

got it buddy. hard to eat oats everyday when running no carb days..

Are you using any of the other supps I listed? Niacin, pshyllium powder, fish oil, flax seed?

**--->>405<<---** · 01-23-2014, 06:29 PM

uh... no, no, no, and ............ no

AD · 01-23-2014, 06:58 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

Wouldn't you agree AD, that the numbers are created as a reference range for medications to be prescribed and that in fact many have much higher than clinical range cholesterol without any issues? My doc gave me a statin and it's still sitting in my cupboard (unopened).

Originally Posted by --->>405<<---

last time my total was 236 and LDL (i cant remember but it has gone up a bit.. maybe 150s ish..)

im gonna get that LDL mean particle size test. that determines if it is really dangerous. apparently only the small, fine particle LDL is bad.. the big, fat kind is not i think cuz it cant get into anything to clog it up or something like that. i also read the best approach to reducing the small particle LDL is thru diet..

that article Kel posted is very good.

lol, i've no idea how big this chol and statin controversy is until i join this site. but i believe that although it is not a perfect measure of risk, it is what many studies are based on. when it comes to medical treatment, i am quite mainstream and old fashioned. i used to take statins myself (self-prescribed!)

having said that, there are other things you need to consider when treating chol. age, race (in my country), family history (specifically how young they were when family members suffered their first heart attack), smoking history, diet and activity level, BP, blood sugar levels, and also the trend of the chol levels over time.

405, your levels dont look terrible. but if they have been at this level for a long time despite your clean diet and your cardio, then no harm getting on the meds while you get more labs done.

**kelkel** · 01-23-2014, 07:08 PM

Using Niacin to Improve Cardiovascular Health - Life Extension

NAC helps as well as does Red Yeast Rice. Jimmy clued me in that RYR in the states is regulated by the FDA so that the natural statins are removed. Enforcement of that regulation is not effective based on what I've read though. But like Jimmy, my next batch will come from over-seas.....

The above three supps changed my LDL particles from Pattern B, "small-dense-abnormal" to middle of the road Pattern A/B. We'll see if it continues.

**almostgone** · 01-23-2014, 07:37 PM

At one time, my LDL and total cholesterol were high. I started taking policosanol and increased the amount of greens I eat...lipid profile was greatly improved within 12 weeks. My mother tried several statins and had constant muscular pain so I try to steer clear of most statins.

**--->>405<<---** · 01-23-2014, 08:00 PM

Originally Posted by AD

lol, i've no idea how big this chol and statin controversy is until i join this site. but i believe that although it is not a perfect measure of risk, it is what many studies are based on. when it comes to medical treatment, i am quite mainstream and old fashioned. i used to take statins myself (self-prescribed!)

having said that, there are other things you need to consider when treating chol. age, race (in my country), family history (specifically how young they were when family members suffered their first heart attack), smoking history, diet and activity level, BP, blood sugar levels, and also the trend of the chol levels over time.

405, your levels dont look terrible. but if they have been at this level for a long time despite your clean diet and your cardio, then no harm getting on the meds while you get more labs done.

ill have to look thru my labs when i have a little more time. or should i say when its not night and im about to be falling asleep on the couch!

i smoked 2 packs cigs per day for 10+ years, drank large amounts of alcohol, and did tons of drugs in my youn ger days. i also ate like crap and was fat sometimes and other times didnt eat at all and was skinny, and everything in between.

my grandfather died from heart attack at 52 and one of my uncles had one at 43.. im 39..

i have done some exercising throughout my life but not consistently until 2 years ago since i was in early twenties..

dang when i say all that its no wonder my cholesterol is poor!

on a positive note my Blood pressure was 122/65

**--->>405<<---** · 01-23-2014, 08:02 PM

on a side note here whats gonna happen when i run test/var and/or test/TREN cycles?? LOL..

**--->>405<<---** · 01-23-2014, 08:05 PM

okay so:

Cholesteroff from Walmart-follow directions
Fish oil-800-1000mg ED
Add a serving of oat meal a day and re-check in 4-6 weeks

plus

NIacin
NAC
Red yeast rice (from overseas)

what a pain in the ass all this stuff is..

AD · 01-23-2014, 08:17 PM

are you still currently smoking 2 packs a day? is that 20 or 40/day?

taking everything into consideration, i would say its safer to bring down your chol, instead of leaving it alone.

and to bring it down, you can either do this:
Cholesteroff from Walmart-follow directions
Fish oil-800-1000mg ED
Add a serving of oat meal a day and re-check in 4-6 weeks

plus

NIacin
NAC
Red yeast rice

or do this: crestor 10mg ed.

**--->>405<<---** · 01-23-2014, 08:28 PM

havent smoked a cig or drank a beer in 5 years.. (or done any drugs)

option one, though more of a pain in the ass, looks better..

AD · 01-23-2014, 08:29 PM

Originally Posted by --->>405<<---

havent smoked a cig or drank a beer in 5 years.. (or done any drugs)

option one, though more of a pain in the ass, looks better..

well done!

take any option. follow up and adjust accordingly.

**--->>405<<---** · 01-23-2014, 08:40 PM

Originally Posted by AD

well done!

take any option. follow up and adjust accordingly.

thx pal.

will do. im looking forward to the cholesterol size test thing..

**Lunk1** · 01-23-2014, 08:44 PM

Originally Posted by AD

are you still currently smoking 2 packs a day? is that 20 or 40/day?

taking everything into consideration, i would say its safer to bring down your chol, instead of leaving it alone.

and to bring it down, you can either do this:
Cholesteroff from Walmart-follow directions
Fish oil-800-1000mg ED
Add a serving of oat meal a day and re-check in 4-6 weeks

plus

NIacin
NAC
Red yeast rice

or do this: crestor 10mg ed.

I'd start with the cholesteroff, fish oil and Niacin. The last 2 should be part of your everyday even with good cholesterol

**MuscleInk** · 01-23-2014, 09:00 PM

Originally Posted by --->>405<<---

okay so:

Cholesteroff from Walmart-follow directions
Fish oil-800-1000mg ED
Add a serving of oat meal a day and re-check in 4-6 weeks

plus

NIacin
NAC
Red yeast rice (from overseas)

what a pain in the ass all this stuff is..

Personally I'd substitute the fish oil for Krill oil. Better bioavailability and more sources of omegas.

**MuscleInk** · 01-23-2014, 09:03 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

Are you using any of the other supps I listed? Niacin, pshyllium powder, fish oil, flax seed?

Look into QuestBars. Dietary fiber is enough to clean out your colon (I found this out after eating three in one day and couldn't leave the toilet!!!). Total active carbs are low. Great snack between meals but not the best when cutting aggressively.

**paulzane** · 01-23-2014, 09:16 PM

Make oatmeal your early morning breakfast and cut out all the crappy breakfasts most people eat. Have a porridge mixture as a first meal. I mix a cup of oats with 2 cups of milk and bring to the boil to thicken. Throw in a handful of raisins and mix with a scoop of protein powder and there is a great high carb, high fiber, high protein breakfast.

Just buy the cheapest untreated pure oats .... not the treated (muesli) or instant packet varieties.

The oats will drop your levels by 10% in a couple of months with no medication!!

**lovbyts** · 01-24-2014, 04:34 AM

:-) I was not sure if I was going to have people agree or slam me. LoL

AD · 01-24-2014, 06:45 AM

Originally Posted by lovbyts

:-) I was not sure if I was going to have people agree or slam me. LoL

The thing about statin causing muscle wasting, not entirely true. Technically, it can cause muscle damage and raise muscle enzyme in the blood. But it doesn't happen to everyone, and the risk is very low at 10mg ed.

But I could be wrong.

**--->>405<<---** · 01-24-2014, 07:49 AM

Originally Posted by MuscleInk

Look into QuestBars. Dietary fiber is enough to clean out your colon (I found this out after eating three in one day and couldn't leave the toilet!!!). Total active carbs are low. Great snack between meals but not the best when cutting aggressively.

just a bit curious to the correlation between dietary fiber and LDL Cholesterol..

**APIs** · 01-24-2014, 10:33 AM

Don’t fight it IMO especially with your family history. Everyone wants to try a natural approach, but in the end it simply doesnt work when genetic factors are involved. Statin treatment can save your life. People experience sides when the dosing is too high. I'm on 5 mgs Crestor 3 times per week and levels have been G2G for over two years now. I also take CoQ10 100 mgs ED to supplement it. Ask to start at a lower dose & increase if needed with follow-up blood work...

**austinite** · 01-24-2014, 10:34 AM

I have enough crestor to last 10 years. Great for on Cycle support.

**lovbyts** · 01-24-2014, 10:52 AM

Originally Posted by austinite

I have enough crestor to last 10 years. Great for on Cycle support.

Wow that's a lot. I only have 3 or 4 years worth

**--->>405<<---** · 01-24-2014, 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

I have enough crestor to last 10 years. Great for on Cycle support.

what can i expect from cycling to do to my cholesterol?? (what kinda numbers have u seen??) how long until it returns to normal??

**MuscleInk** · 01-24-2014, 05:18 PM

Originally Posted by AD

The thing about statin causing muscle wasting, not entirely true. Technically, it can cause muscle damage and raise muscle enzyme in the blood. But it doesn't happen to everyone, and the risk is very low at 10mg ed.

But I could be wrong.

^^^you are correct and the incidence of rhabdomyolysis and immune mediated necrotizing myopathies is lowest in Crestor.

**MuscleInk** · 01-24-2014, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by --->>405<<---

just a bit curious to the correlation between dietary fiber and LDL Cholesterol..

Increasing dietary fiber should reduce LDL by 5-7% according to some studies. Resveratrol is supposedly beneficial for increasing HDL (and may block the WNT pathway involved in colorectal cancer mutagenesis)

Fish oil was mentioned earlier but it's impact is largely on TGs and not LDL or HDL.