07-21-2003, 07:48 PM #1
Won't be long before they come for us . . .
Here's a curious post I chanced upon on the mushroom (magic mushroom) newsgroup . . .
Seems that posessing magic mushroom spores (used for growing your own at home) is legal in most states, but it looks like the DEA is going after vendors (and maybe buyers) of these things even where it's legal, saying they're attempting to manufacture a controlled substance. They arrested a major supplier of mushroom spores (Psylocibe Fanaticus) a few months ago because on his website he was selling both the spores and the supplies to grow them with, said he was part of the manufacturing process (or some such). I e-mailed someone who was doing the same with conversion kits and Finaplix -H, figured sooner or later the DEA will be applying the same logic to goodly folks like him. And us.
Anyway, I thought I'd post this as an early warning . . . dunno what to do about it though . . . 'cept maybe vote for politicians who favor an end to the war on drugs . . . and anyone who'll replace John Ashcroft . . .
I found the following in a DEA newsletter:
MAIL-ORDER PSILOCYBIN MUSHROOM SPORES IN GREAT FALLS, MONTANA
The DEA Western Laboratory (San Francisco, California) recently
received a submission of three standard design, plastic, 12
milliliter syringes containing a clear liquid with very small
black specks suspended in the solution, suspected to be aqueous
suspensions of psilocybin mushroom spores. The exhibits were
seized by the Postal Inspector in Great Falls, Montana. Each
syringe had a piece of colored tape wrapped around it; one
red, one white, and one blue. Each tape had a different
alphanumeric code written on it, the meaning of which was not
intuitively obvious. For prosecution purposes (attempt to
manufacture psilocybin and/or psilocin, controlled substances),
it was necessary to show both that the spores were viable
(would grow mushrooms), and that the mushrooms grown from the
spores contained psilocybin and/or psilocin.
Visual examination of a drop of the liquid at 750x magnification
revealed thousands of brownish colored, semi-transparent, oval
shaped spores. Each solution was used to innoculate four
different growth media: Potato, dextrose, yeast agar (PDY),
dog food agar (DFA), malt extract agar (MEA), and brown rice
powder and vermiculite. The basic procedures followed those
provided in: Gross ST. Detecting psychoactive drugs in the
developmental stages of mushrooms. Journal of Forensic Sciences
2000;45(3):527. [Further details not provided in accordance
with Bulletin policy.] Mycelium growth was obtained with two
of the syringes; analysis of samples of the mycelium by GC/MS
and GC/IRD confirmed psilocin (see: Casale JF. An aqueous-organic
extraction method for the isolation and identification of
psilocin from hallucinogenic mushrooms. Journal of Forensic
Sciences 1985;30(1):247). Transfer of the mycelium to a grow
chamber resulted in mushroom growth (see Photo 5), and analysis
of the dried mushrooms confirmed psilocin. This was the first
submission of this type to the Western Laboratory.
A few things to note. First, the spores were mailed to Montana,
where spores are not illegal. Secondly, note the following was
"For prosecution purposes (attempt to manufacture psilocybin
and/or psilocin, controlled substances), it was necessary to
show both that the spores were viable (would grow mushrooms),
and that the mushrooms grown from the spores contained psilocybin
In other words, they have every intent on prosecuting the possession
of spores as an attempt to manufacture a controlled substance.
We live is scary times.
07-22-2003, 02:20 AM #2
doesnt matter to me, you only need spores once
07-22-2003, 02:25 AM #3
Those dicks are also raiding tons of head shops around the country for "paraphanelia intended for drug use", even though every bong has "FOR TOBACCO USE ONLY" right there on it.
I mean seriously, what other uses besides tobacco are there? Maybe you could smoke oregano or something but that would be kind of weird wouldn't it!
07-22-2003, 05:08 AM #4
Don't forget the DEA already took a beating trying this with Animal twice. They may not be so anxious to do it again. Besides I don't know of any kit makers who sell any ingrediate for their experimental research facilities.
03-09-2004, 11:20 AM #5
bs man this adminastration is actually admittadly trying to change our constitution! CHANGE THE CONSTITUTION!!!! We are not even americans anymore we have to get rid of ashcroft and bush and Im sure Ill get a lot of flack about that but it's true. First comes Iraq and the countries bush has beef with then maybey we can have some say in our lives. How are we supposed to keep track of the law if it changes whenever it best fits the politicians in control? we have a very angry administration in office right now, heck I could care less if Bill Clinton gets a hummer in the oval office as long as he's not building up a giant nut to blast all over some poor country and the american people, we are supposed to be free to pick a **** mushroom and eat it if we want to, how the hell you make gods products off limits,thata some ego!
03-09-2004, 11:38 AM #6
Ah, let the Feds go after the hippies...they all belong in prison.
03-09-2004, 11:41 AM #7
wow i never knew it was as easy as going to a web site and buying spores to plant shrooms
03-09-2004, 11:45 AM #8Originally Posted by Harvey Balboner
03-09-2004, 12:02 PM #9
It is easy to get the spores . . . but mushrooms are difficult to grow. Everything must be absolutely sterile. Mushroom "mold" (I can't think of the right term) is weak and is easily attacked by other common molds, like bread mold. I tried to grow mushrooms in college, but was unsuccessful every time.
03-09-2004, 12:16 PM #10
I live near a farm..................two DD batteries, flash light and plastic bag............and I've yet to see a fed. Guess they don't like field work. hahahahaha
03-09-2004, 03:07 PM #11Originally Posted by Testify
Ya, well, that's what the pressure cooker is for. Mix up the substrate, cook it in the PC, let it cool, squirt in the spores, wait a while, and you're in business.
I figure if pressure cookers get stuff sterile enough to grow shrooms, they ought to be plenty good enough for sterilizing home cooked brew.
03-09-2004, 07:26 PM #12Originally Posted by Tock
03-09-2004, 08:49 PM #13
You need to grow them?
A few species of Psilocybe shrooms grow wild here in Quebec... just take a walk in a shaded field and know what to look for
03-10-2004, 12:03 AM #14
i love shrooms
03-10-2004, 03:11 AM #15
Under cow crap!
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