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    Question Wallstreet & Tech Stocks...

    If you had an extra $3,000 to $4,000
    to invest in only 1-2 Tech Stocks to
    hold long term for the next 12 to 18
    months what would you buy and why?

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    DB as I found out day trades, so holding
    stock long term may not be his thing...

    I know what I like, but other opinions
    are always good to hear... Just want
    some other ideas on what tech stocks
    are fundamentally sound and here to stay...

    And please no warnings about the market,
    Buff Daddy likes to play with his chips all in...

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    Quote Originally Posted by buff87
    If you had an extra $3,000 to $4,000
    to invest in only 1-2 Tech Stocks to
    hold long term for the next 12 to 18
    months what would you buy and why?
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    18 months isn't really long term. 5 years and up is long term.

    If this is money you are going to need next year, what you want is a 12 month CD. If you don't mind gambling, you can take the investment advice of complete strangers and see what happens.
    The smart money is invested in companies you know something about. You gotta know what the current state of the art technology is, who's the leading edge company, who's having legal or labor problems, who's based overseas, who their customers are and what problems they're having, business prospects for their customers, and so on. Ya, you gotta know an awful lot. Some of it you get from just reading newspapers, knowing if China's about to invade Taiwan (in which case you might consider investing in a company that makes laptops--because Taiwan makes the majority of laptops nowadays, and if those manufacturers were bombed or whatever, the few laptop companies outside Taiwan would be awash in business, and their stocks would jump), or if someone figured out how to split the atom at room temperature, or came up with a way to generate 100 kwh of electricity with a 1 square inch slice of silicon. For this, you really really have to keep up with not only current events in general, but the current events in the particular business segment you're wanting to invest in. This takes a lot of reading over an extended period of time. Kinda like doing your research with AS before shooting up with 'em, you really need to research your investments before laying your $$$ down.

    That being said . . .
    I've got some of my long term (5 to 20 years) investments in SIRI (Sirius Satelite Radio), XMSR (XM Satelite Radio), and TXN (Texas Instruments). I bought the radio companies when it was cheap; I compared the company's asset value minus obligations to the value of its outstanding stock, and figured even if it went into bankruptcy, I'd get at least my original investment back. XMSR is up 1000% or so since then, I suppose it'll triple over the next several years, and then I'll sell that and buy me a shiny new truck.
    SIRI hasn't done as well as XMSR, don't expect it to, really, but I've still made a profit off of it, so I'm not too unhappy.
    TXN has most of the business for the cell phone manufacturers, sells 'em lots of IC chips, and with the new phones with color screens, they use even more chips, so TXN makes more and more profit with 'em. When 3G (Third Generation) phone come around where you can use 'em to buy sodas out of vending machines, and have live pictures going while you talk (instead of just still photos), the silicon count will escalate, and they'll make even more $$$. Plus, they've got a nifty DLP chip that's the heart of a lot of the new digital TV's . . . essentially, the DLP replaces those big heavy picture tubes, making a set lighter, and thinner. They're selling every one of those babies they can turn out, and they're setting up more floorspace to make even more. On top of that, TXN is the leader in wireless--stuff like Bluetooth, WiFi, that sort of thing. Everything I've heard says that more and more companies are going to build wireless into more and more products, and that means more business (and profits) for TXN.

    I've also got a couple mutual funds, but those are generic and unremarkable, and as far as those go, probably the best long term mutual fund is the Vanguard 500 index fund. Lots of reasons why, but I'm getting of typing and it's time to go to the gym . . .

    So . . .

    If I were you and needed the cash for sure next year, I'd get a CD. I wouldn't speculate with money that I was sure I'd need down the road . . .

    Dunno if this helps, but it is what it is . . .

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    I use to gamble with all kinds of crazy ****...

    Learned my lesson when the **** hit the fan...

    4 years older and wiser and my instints tell me

    the market is due to turn around for techs toward

    the end of 2004... Looking at what I consider solid

    investments like EMC, CSCO, AMD maybe SUNW,

    also maybe a wireless stock like AWE because of

    the rumors of cellphone companies planning on

    mergering in the near future...

    I have mutual funds set up for stable investments,

    this is my play money to try and make it do something

    special and pay me back for the last 4 years the market

    has sucked... CD's are not an option, not enuf potential

    return for my taste and not enuf gamble either...

    This is gambling money brothas, to win you gotta gamble in life...

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    If this is play money that you are wanting to gamble with you need to look into options..........and only options.

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    I'm with tock, an 18 month investment is not a gamble nor smart. Leave your money in there for years. The average rate of return for any stock is 11%. Take your money to a well known financial advisor(Meryl Lynch for instance) and let them invest you money in low and high beta stocks. This is the only safe way over a long period of time to invest your money. If I had to guess though...I'd say the airlines. They have been on a rise over the past year and so long as no terrorist **** happens, you will see your money and a good bit of profit in a year and a half to boot

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    LOng term traders are losers!Why invest 10,000.00 t0 make 10% in ten yrs...biggest sucker bet going

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    Short term traders are the winners!!!

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    I like so many short term trades ,I couldn't name them all.But I would NEVER hold over 1 yr.It's called money management.Take profits as deemed,why turn a winner into a loser?All these fools held over 2000-2002 hoping it would come back,while I had the whole market short and made tons!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    RHAT is good
    AMD
    ORCC..........to name a few.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chicamahomico
    If this is play money that you are wanting to gamble with you need to look into options..........and only options.
    WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!THe highest risk in the entire market.Better do your homework quick!!!!!!!

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    long term... SILVER not much of it left and the price had tripled in the last few yrs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Da Bull
    WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!THe highest risk in the entire market.Better do your homework quick!!!!!!!
    I know....that's why I suggested them. Re-read my original post and a couple of buff's. Problem is he said so many conflicting things in his posts such as:
    Quote Originally Posted by buff87
    hold long term for the next 12 to 18
    Quote Originally Posted by buff87
    This is gambling money brothas, to win you gotta gamble in life...
    So I picked this one, as some of the others ( like CDs, long-term vs short-time ) were already answered. Would you not agree that options are the best bet for someone who wishes to gamble or hedge.

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    Buff, look into these stocks...

    ATVI

    NTOP

    GNSS

    LUV - I hear Southwest Airlines is agood buy right now

    CVC - maker of HDTV satellite...wave of the future

    SPIL - I am about to purchase this one...

    I currently own some shares of Nokia and Sirius Satellite Radio (which I really believe in)...just sold Novell and Motorola...I don't know about Cisco...look at Nortel (NT)...much cheaper...A blue chip I have been watching is Marvel (MVL)...with all these new movies and then toys that are coming out (i.e. Spider-Man, Daredevil, The Punisher, The Hulk), I think MVL is a great blue chip buy. This may not be the "answer" you are looking for, but it may help give you some insight on some good stocks. Get an Ameritrade account and do some research on them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Da Bull
    I like so many short term trades ,I couldn't name them all.But I would NEVER hold over 1 yr.It's called money management.Take profits as deemed,why turn a winner into a loser?All these fools held over 2000-2002 hoping it would come back,while I had the whole market short and made tons!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    RHAT is good
    AMD
    ORCC..........to name a few.

    Short term trading, day trading, both are good, but only if you know what you're doing. For folks who don't, or don't want to bother learning, a mutual index fund with low fees is the way to go.
    There's really lots of ways to make $$$ investing. Key in all of 'em is to know what you're doing. Elsewise, you could end up betting on the Colorado Buggy Whip Company or somesuch.
    -Tock

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tock
    Short term trading, day trading, both are good, but only if you know what you're doing. For folks who don't, or don't want to bother learning, a mutual index fund with low fees is the way to go.
    There's really lots of ways to make $$$ investing. Key in all of 'em is to know what you're doing. Elsewise, you could end up betting on the Colorado Buggy Whip Company or somesuch.
    -Tock
    I hear you tock,I've been daytrading for a very long time and also I swing trade also.But you are correct,you have to know what's going on or you'll bust out quick.The biggest problem is ppl jump in the market wallet first.A big no no.

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    i need lessons from da bull,ive always wanted to day trade for a living.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Rush
    Buff, look into these stocks...

    ATVI

    NTOP

    GNSS

    LUV - I hear Southwest Airlines is agood buy right now

    CVC - maker of HDTV satellite...wave of the future

    SPIL - I am about to purchase this one...

    I currently own some shares of Nokia and Sirius Satellite Radio (which I really believe in)...just sold Novell and Motorola...I don't know about Cisco...look at Nortel (NT)...much cheaper...A blue chip I have been watching is Marvel (MVL)...with all these new movies and then toys that are coming out (i.e. Spider-Man, Daredevil, The Punisher, The Hulk), I think MVL is a great blue chip buy. This may not be the "answer" you are looking for, but it may help give you some insight on some good stocks. Get an Ameritrade account and do some research on them.
    I advise you to pull up charts an look at the price channels!!!!!!

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    Buff if you’re looking into tech stocks then watch Temp agencies/Recruiting companies for indicators on hiring in the tech industry. Some gains are being made in the temporary placement but Permanent ones are slow. Just my opinion but I’d lean more towards medical. Rush mentioned Nortel but they have been a bad way for sometime….I thought they might have been snapped up by a competitor when the stock fell so bad but they seem to be holding on……..look into companies that are investing into Voice over IP……that will be the next ticket corporations will be utilizing very soon. Prices are dropping on products and it’s already taking off. Look into a company called Zultus if this strikes your interest……very new to the game but their product smokes all the big boys…I’ve a felling they will be bought out once the street notices them getting large clients. Also watch Kforce…..temp placement company that’s buying up smaller companies….a good sign for a company that’s growing and rich in capital. Just an idea bro.

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    I would invest in chinese herbs, lol.

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    I didn't say anything conflicting in my posts at all...

    1. This is money I can stand to lose...

    2. Tech stocks are almost always going to be a gamble...

    I'm just looking for a few ideas, maybe I don't know about, that's all...

    Trust me anything I get involved in I know the risks and I know the game...

    I'm may be a newbie at some things, but this ain't one of them...

    And DB is dead on... OPTIONS ARE A SUCKER PLAY...

    Quote Originally Posted by chicamahomico
    I know....that's why I suggested them. Re-read my original post and a couple of buff's. Problem is he said so many conflicting things in his posts such as:
    So I picked this one, as some of the others ( like CDs, long-term vs short-time ) were already answered. Would you not agree that options are the best bet for someone who wishes to gamble or hedge.

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    funny ass mofo...

    Quote Originally Posted by dizzle
    I would invest in chinese herbs, lol.

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    Anyone think Comcast is a great buy right now, based on
    the hit it took over the info about wanting to buy Disney?

    Dropped down alot in the last week, and personally I think Comcast is
    one of the best buys out there... They intend on being a monopoly IMO

    I think they're only after ESPN myself...

    Also know a few things they plan on doing real soon that has to be
    good for the company in the short term...

    And no it has nothing to do with free porno after 12:00 midnight...
    Last edited by Jack87; 02-19-2004 at 03:47 PM.

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    GOD ****ING DAMMIT!! I typed out a ton of **** and AR went AWOL on me an I lost it between 'cannot find server' and 'preview my post' so I'll summ up what I said.

    Options are not a sucker play. They are simply a financial tool that has a time and place like any other financial product. If you are a speculator looking for maximum payout and are willing to assume a large amount of risk, then they are the way to go. If you have any desire to lear a bit about options I can PM you a sweet site explaining them in a graphical interactive format outlining Black-Scholes. AT any rate I hope your investments work out for the best.

    Quote Originally Posted by buff87
    chicamahomico

    I didn't say anything conflicting in my posts at all...

    1. This is money I can stand to lose...

    2. Tech stocks are almost always going to be a gamble...

    I'm just looking for a few ideas, maybe I don't know about, that's all...

    Trust me anything I get involved in I know the risks and I know the game...

    I'm may be a newbie at some things, but this ain't one of them...

    And DB is dead on... OPTIONS ARE A SUCKER PLAY...

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    Wasn't trying to be a dick bro...

    I understand options, I daytraded a little myself
    before the market took a big **** and used option
    plays before, I just don't like them...

    I'll associate it with playing craps...

    When I'm at the table I am betting with the shooter
    not against him... even if he sucks I don't like betting
    against... I like playin the upside...

    I know options work both ways, but I just perfer to stay
    away from them... I am a gambling man, not a dumb man...
    Not meant in away toward you or anyone else that uses
    option plays for the market... Just my opinion...

    Now my game plan is to invest in companies I deem to
    be either oversold or companies that have good earnings
    potential and let my money ride for 12-18 months...

    I realize alot of you think that 12-18 months is not long
    term holding, but with tech stocks IMO it is... Big changes
    can occur in only a few months, it's all timing and doing
    your homework and then a little luck is always good too...

    If you want to send me the info bro, I'd still like to check it out
    Everyday it's good to read/learn something new, send it on over...

    later

    Quote Originally Posted by chicamahomico
    GOD ****ING DAMMIT!! I typed out a ton of **** and AR went AWOL on me an I lost it between 'cannot find server' and 'preview my post' so I'll summ up what I said.

    Options are not a sucker play. They are simply a financial tool that has a time and place like any other financial product. If you are a speculator looking for maximum payout and are willing to assume a large amount of risk, then they are the way to go. If you have any desire to lear a bit about options I can PM you a sweet site explaining them in a graphical interactive format outlining Black-Scholes. AT any rate I hope your investments work out for the best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buff87
    If you had an extra $3,000 to $4,000
    to invest in only 1-2 Tech Stocks to
    hold long term for the next 12 to 18
    months what would you buy and why?
    Apple

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    I like AMD alot... Let me stress this ALOT!

    Quote Originally Posted by Da Bull

    RHAT is good
    AMD
    ORCC..........to name a few.

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    Buff...lets open up a hedge fund bro...we'll crush 'em!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos_E
    Apple
    ROFLMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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    I'm in brotha...

    Let's call it "Da Bull n Buff Wrecked yur Ass Fund"

    Quote Originally Posted by Da Bull
    Buff...lets open up a hedge fund bro...we'll crush 'em!!!!

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    Gotta be honest though I'm 2nd guessing myself...

    Just sold some of my EMC to buy into other positions

    a few days ago... Made a nice profit from where I

    bought in, but now I got a feeling it's set to ride

    up another 2 points... **** me It's all good

    though becuase it gives me the chance to but into

    another oversold, undervalued tech stock...

    This is the year ****s turns around bros... I can feel

    it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by buff87
    I'm in brotha...

    Let's call it "Da Bull n Buff Wrecked yur Ass Fund"
    Catchy name bro....lmao

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    Quote Originally Posted by buff87
    Gotta be honest though I'm 2nd guessing myself...

    Just sold some of my EMC to buy into other positions

    a few days ago... Made a nice profit from where I

    bought in, but now I got a feeling it's set to ride

    up another 2 points... **** me It's all good

    though becuase it gives me the chance to but into

    another oversold, undervalued tech stock...

    This is the year ****s turns around bros... I can feel
    Forget that stock and move on,you won already bro...next case.
    it...
    Forget that stock bro,you won already....move on....next case.

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