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04-07-2004, 03:29 PM #1
Question For Muslims
salam alaykom,
i want to ask u how can u manage the holy fasting month of ramadan...i mean what diet u use to preserve muscles and in the same time not gain fat ,i dont have a problem preserving muscles while fasting but i gain fat bacause all my meals ae after 5 pm
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04-07-2004, 03:33 PM #2
im no muslim, but if i were, id not drink water for about a month.... that will help you preserve muscle..lol
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04-07-2004, 03:42 PM #3
Ba ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!
Originally Posted by decadbal
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04-07-2004, 03:43 PM #4VET Retired
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eat a hi-protein, hi-carb breakfast, duing the day u can only drink water right? so mabye u can mix a highly concentrated protein powder+water solution and sip on that.........if i was a muslim i would sure as hell hide and eat... i can see it now "akbar were is kevin?!....i don't know abdul......he leaves here every 2 hours" lol
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04-07-2004, 03:44 PM #5
Dude this is Priceless!!!
Originally Posted by big k.l.g
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04-07-2004, 03:47 PM #6
Just use some steroids , they will help keep mass. Altough how can you workout when on fast?
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04-07-2004, 03:47 PM #7
no i cant put anything in my mouth for about 12 hours
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04-07-2004, 03:50 PM #8Originally Posted by palme
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04-07-2004, 03:51 PM #9Originally Posted by MilitiaGuy
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04-07-2004, 03:53 PM #10Originally Posted by MilitiaGuy
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04-07-2004, 03:56 PM #11
definitely intake some glutamine in the morning and at night.
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04-07-2004, 04:14 PM #12
I agree with a cutting cycle... it's not like such religious observance comes as as surprise, you know a long time in advance when it's going to be, so you can plan accordingly.
Red
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04-07-2004, 04:23 PM #13
Did you really think you could build mass while not eating for 12 hours. That's a downside of your religion you'll have to live with. Unless, you could always switch to a good one if you wanted to be big like us athiests. We can do whatever we want. The only con is every other religion thinks they're better than you.
, I'm not really an atheist. Refer to quote below if you have any questions.
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04-07-2004, 04:32 PM #14
Any organization, religious or otherwise, who tries to tell me what and when to eat can eat a dick. I'm gonna go to hell for eating beef and stuff on Friday, doubt it. If so, then I'm gonna do some really serious stuff since it's all the same in the eyes of the church. Mark
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04-07-2004, 06:06 PM #15Originally Posted by decadbal
If you read the topic, it says "questions for Muslims" by your asinine responses, I can assume you're not.
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04-07-2004, 06:08 PM #16Originally Posted by MilitiaGuy
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04-07-2004, 06:13 PM #17
militiaguy.. i'd actually be interested in knowing how you diet for this, 12hrs is a long time. after that 12 i imagine you can't have a large meal or you'd wanna puke. do u stick to lots of carbs, slow burning proteins? maybe try eating a couple containers of cottage cheese or something at 4:45 in the a.m. before the fast... or you could use IV or would that be cheating
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04-07-2004, 06:22 PM #18Junior Member
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As a muslim, and by the looks of it, we're the only ones.
Also, thanks mfenske for that wonderful argument point.
Anyways, I am a natural bodybuilder and during the fast, I fast. I don't concentrate on myself, I'm not important during the time of fasting, it isn't about me, so I forget about me for a month. I havn't lost a huge amount of mass during this time before. I just eat like a beast for the times I can.
-Elmo
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04-07-2004, 06:26 PM #19
This is a legitimate BB question and needs to be treated as such. Please be respectful or don't respond.
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04-07-2004, 08:15 PM #20
In all seriousness though, I can't imagine the dedication it takes to fast, repeatedly. I will move my moral arguments to more appropriate threads. Good luck with your goals. Mark
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04-07-2004, 08:21 PM #21Originally Posted by 3vil3lmo
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04-07-2004, 10:33 PM #22
Can you explain a bit more detail in how the exact timing works MilitaiGuy? What hours can you eat during and what hours do you fast?
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04-07-2004, 11:07 PM #23Originally Posted by chicamahomico
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04-07-2004, 11:09 PM #24Junior Member
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Some say from sunrise to sunset, others say from like 5am - 10pm. Depends on your sect/area you live in really. Here, its sunrise to sunset. So it isn't going on for ages.
Why does it happen? Because it is written that we must fast.
1. To testify that none has the right to be worshiped but Allah and Muhammad is Allah's Messenger.
2. To offer the (compulsory congregational) prayers dutifully and perfectly.
3. To pay Zakat (i.e. obligatory charity) .
4. To perform Hajj. (i.e. Pilgrimage to Mecca)
5. To observe fast during the month of Ramadan. [Bukhari]
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04-08-2004, 03:16 AM #25Originally Posted by 3vil3lmo
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04-08-2004, 04:43 AM #26
More power to ya, bro. I wouldn't be able to focus on prayer, I'd be so hungry. If I go more than 4 hours, I start cramping.
Sym
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04-08-2004, 04:47 AM #27Junior Member
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Carlos, eating is against the "rules" but drinking is fine.
No sex for the entire month either. But I do not find that a big deal, I love my wife, sex is not an important part of our life. Although it is seen that men are about women, that is just in public, it is more of a pride thing. In the house or in private areas, we are equal. I would not be able to live without her, and her without me.
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04-08-2004, 04:49 AM #28Junior Member
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Thank you Symian, it is a great sacrifice, but well worth the cause. It is my religion, it is me.
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04-08-2004, 06:08 AM #29alevok Guest
there is a correction needed, from dusk till dawn you can not eat nor DRINK (neither smoke) if you drink your fasting does not count. You can have sex with your wife after dawn.
When I fast I make sure I eat high potein average carb diet, and drink protein shake late at night.
militia guy you can add flaxseed oil to your protein shakes to slow down the absorption of the protein during sleep. Using deca or primo during Ramadan would help preserving muscle.
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04-08-2004, 06:40 AM #30alevok GuestOriginally Posted by bookman
But while fasting Allah gives you the power to continue your fasting. Fasting cleanse both body and soul. you are doing to gain ALLAH's good grace.
Fasting also helps detoxing your system, you give time to your stomac to rest, your intestins distract more, see colon cleansing.
There is good info about Islamic fasting
COMPARISON BETWEEN THE FASTING IN ISLAM AND OTHER RELIGIONS
Al-Islam, has taken the lead in reforming the institution of fasting. This was a radical reform in the meaning, rules and purpose of the fast. It made the fast easy, natural and effective. The following are some of the points in this regard:
1. Fasting was a symbol of sadness, mourning, atonement for the sins, a reminder of disasters as well as self - mortification in Judaism and Christianity. Islam radicalized this doom and gloom concept of fasting, into an enlightened concept of triumph over the forces of evil. The month of fasting in Islam is a month of worship Muslims welcome each year with energy and happiness, and are saddened only when the month departs. This is contrary to the atmosphere of mourning. Fasting is for the living.
2. Fasting is not self-denial and punishment of the body and soul, a belief that was wide-spread among the medieval European ascetics. Indeed, there is not such a thing in Islam, nor in Al-Qur`an or the Sunnah. The laws that govern the institution are not extremely unbearable, the restrictions are not enforced 24 hours every day. The tradition of sahuur is a perfect example. The faster is allowed to delay and eat sahuur until he or she is certain that there are just a few minutes before morning prayer. Similarly, when it is time to break fast, the rule is to break as soon as the sun sets, with no delay. Besides, sleeping and resting during the day are all allowed. Working is not stopped and businesses are not closed down for the fast. In Judaism, working during the period of fast is prohibited. Allah (SWT) said: "...Allah intends every facility for you. He does not want to put you to difficulties...." (Al-Qur`an, 2:185)
3. Fasting was for special classes of people in the previous religions. For the Brahmin class in the Hindu religion, fasting is mandatory only for the high priests. In the some Latin religions, it is only women who must fast and there are no exceptions.
4. In Judaism, the faster eats only after the break and there is no more food. The Arabs, before Islam, would not eat after sleeping. Islam, on the other hand, threw away all these human imposed restrictions. Allah said: "...And eat and drink, until the white thread of dawn appears to you distinct from it's black thread..." (Al-Qur`an, 2:187)
The person who makes a mistake in fasting is not punished, and the one who forgets and eats is forgiven.
5. Fasting in some other religions is based on a solar calendar, like the Gregorian calendar. This demands vast knowledge of calculation and astronomy in the making of a calendar. Besides, the months are fixed in a specific season, they do not rotate or change. Fasting in Islam is based on the lunar calendar and is tied to the sightings of hilal, the crescent, or new moon. Allah (SWT) states: "They ask you concerning the new moons. Say: They are but signs to mark fixed periods of time...." (Al-Qur`an, 2:189) And the hadith: "Eat until you see the crescent and break not until you see the crescent. If it is cloudy calculate the period of the month." (Muslim and others)
This enables Muslims in every corner of the earth, east and west, north and south, and all in between, in remote villages, on mountains, in conditions of illiteracy or literacy, in jungles or deserts to start and end the fast all at the same time, without difficulty.
Why the moon instead of the sun as the basis for starting and ending fast? There are several reasons:
The lunar year is about ten or eleven days less compared to the Gregorian. Thus, if Ramadan 1990 began on March 27th, Ramadan in 1991 would begin around March 16th. Consequently, in the course of 36 years, every Muslim would have fasted every day of the year, the short days of the year, the long days of the year, the hot days and the cold days of the year. Muslims in different regions of the world would have had total equality in the number of days they fasted, and would have had an equal amount of seasonal and climatic changes. They would have an equal amount of cold or mild weather Ramadans.
If the fast were based on the Gregorian calendar, the Muslims in hot summer climates would have Ramadan during hot weather every year, forever. Some Muslims would have fasted long days while others short days, because Gregorian calendar months are fixed and immobile.
There is another interesting reason; fruits, vegetables for using the lunar calendar and some food items come in certain seasons. Fasting based on the lunar system means we may miss certain fruits in certain seasons, but by the end of the circle a Muslim would have tasted and tried different fruits during Ramadan, whereas fasting based on the Gregorian calendar would have prohibited some fruits during Ramadan, forever. This is why Muslims did not change the month of Ramadan, nor did they distort it by increasing or decreasing days, nor did they change it to different months.
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04-08-2004, 07:44 AM #31
interesting post alevok...
my roomate (and very good friend) is muslim - and I lived with him during last Ramadan - no food or drink passes the lips from sunrise to sunset...incredible dedication.
i know he found it helped if he got up early, ate a good breakfast before the sun and had some water...it's hard to get up that early sometimes, but it helps.
i'd also agree with a protein/flax shake before you finally retire to bed...should help overnight.
i'd be interested to see your results during next Ramadan as you continue training, etc - to see if you drop or add BF or mass...i know for many muslims (mostly who do not workout, as my roommate) it is easy to gain weight during the month, as you don't eat all day, but then gorge at night - i know this is not what all do, but i know that some do...
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04-08-2004, 07:57 AM #32Originally Posted by Carlos_E
Pretty interesting, I did not know that.Last edited by Carlos_E; 04-08-2004 at 08:04 AM.
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04-08-2004, 08:21 AM #33
Hello...M"GUY" is a dude bro....duh
Originally Posted by Carlos_E
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04-08-2004, 08:48 AM #34
To somehow offset the no eating during the day, would it be ok to "reverse" your life cycle during ramadan?
I mean sleep during the day and work/eat/train from sunset to sun up? This way you could eat every 2 hours, train like a madman and get a decent amount of sleep.
Just a thought...
Red
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04-08-2004, 08:57 AM #35alevok GuestOriginally Posted by Red Ketchup
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04-08-2004, 09:02 AM #36Originally Posted by jbigdog69
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04-08-2004, 09:07 AM #37
Many of the Arabs in my area sleep more during the daylight hours of Ramadan... and stores stay open later at night. Once night falls and the cannon blows - the streets fill up for a serious chow down. But during the daylight, you don't see too many people running around. Many places in the Middle East, drinking water outside (or even chewing gum... or swallowing your own spit) during the day is illegal... police inforce the muslim standards and practices.
Last edited by Warrior; 04-08-2004 at 10:08 AM.
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04-08-2004, 09:18 AM #38
Dude Whatever!!!!
Originally Posted by Carlos_E
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04-08-2004, 02:32 PM #39
thanx for the help guys..i think i will be using test at 500mg/week to preserve my muscles this is the best way
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04-08-2004, 04:35 PM #40Originally Posted by 3vil3lmo
Would that include drinking protein shakes?
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