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04-15-2004, 05:45 AM #201AR-Hall of Famer / Retired
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hate to say it but Bush's position on that reflects base reality - Israel is not going to ever agree to go all the way back to its old borders and since they fought a couple of unprovoked wars to get them, I can see why - they cant allow return into Israel or they will be in the minority so why not just change Israels name to Palestine? those things are unrealistic - the final area of the wall is still in play - but the real question is whether the PLO can actually run a real government when they have a territory - and the truth is, they dont want one because then their own people would not allow them to steal while not giving any services - they couldnt blame it all on Israel anymore
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04-15-2004, 07:40 AM #202Originally Posted by Rak_Ani
peace,
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04-15-2004, 11:29 AM #203Retired Vet
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Originally Posted by Tock
A chunk of what ''prime real estate''?. Israel has no oil reserves, and no mineral wealth. Israel is something like 0.1% of the Middle East land mass. I won't even bother wasting words replying to anything else you write since your incapable of reading and digesting that information. Pictures speak a thousend words.
Tock, even you can work out where Israel is represented in these pictures (I think)
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04-15-2004, 11:32 AM #204Originally Posted by BOUNCER
Prime Real Estate = prime farmland, the best fertile soil, right smack dab on the Meditterean Seacoast.
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04-15-2004, 11:42 AM #205
[QUOTE=CYCLEON]
1) hate to say it but Bush's position on that reflects base reality - Israel is not going to ever agree to go all the way back to its old borders and since they fought a couple of unprovoked wars to get them, I can see why -
2) they cant allow return into Israel or they will be in the minority so why not just change Israels name to Palestine? those things are unrealistic -
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1) Well, so long as the US will support what Israel wants to do, it isn't about to change. And it's this unconditional support of Israel's stubborness that contributes to Arab hatred of the US.
Not what ya want when you're running an economy so dependant on arab oil.
My guess is that the Arabs are going to keep jacking the price of oil higher and higher until the US public finally catches on, or the US economy takes a dive.
2) Eventually, the way the Israeli Arabs are making babies, there will be more of them than Jews in Isreal, then they can, through democratic processes, re-name the country and merge it with Palestine and then everyone will be happy.
I'd give things 50-75 years . . .
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04-15-2004, 11:42 AM #206Retired Vet
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Originally Posted by Tock
Tock, poor, poor Tock.
Whatever Israel is it wasn't made that by Arabs, who untill the turn of the century pi$$ed and sh*t into the Jordan river since time began. When Zionists began to buy land from Arabs it was sold to them by Arabs knowing they were buying desert and swamp land. Jews turned a country of desert in the south and maleria ridden swamp land in the north to what it is now..
Ah listen, words are wasted on you Tock. lol, honestly I can't be bothered anymore.
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04-15-2004, 11:55 AM #207Originally Posted by BOUNCER
I beleive we are wasting words on each other. We obviously have different understandings of world history.
C'est la vie . . .
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04-15-2004, 12:00 PM #208Retired Vet
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Originally Posted by Tock
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04-15-2004, 12:01 PM #209
Does anyone know if Jordan was a landlocked country before Israel was given that land?
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04-15-2004, 12:03 PM #210
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Originally Posted by CYCLEON
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04-15-2004, 12:07 PM #211Retired Vet
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Originally Posted by chicamahomico
http://www.dartmouth.edu/~gov46/mideast-1930.gif
http://www.dartmouth.edu/~gov46/pal-transjrdn-1922.gif
Sometimes I think Jews should have been given all the land between the Euphrates River and the Nile. Instead of the paultry little bit of desert and swamp land they got.
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