Thread: Cycle Question
02-08-2002, 08:59 PM #1
02-08-2002, 09:52 PM #2
Yea, thats no problem.
02-08-2002, 09:54 PM #3
Just wondering........How much of each are you doing?
02-09-2002, 11:20 AM #4
This is only my second cycle. You guys are going to think that I'm f'n crazy, so don't flame me. I am getting results. I do this under the supervision of a sports medicine doctor and dietitian, the results are fantastic. Although an entirely different approach to what is discussed on the board.
The first cycle I did was only 200 mg per week for ten weeks. Followed by 2 weeks off and 1000 i.u. HCG and one more week off. I got 10 pounds and lost nothing post cycle. Lost 4% bf.
This cycle is 300 mg test cyp and 200 mg Deca for 10 weeks and 10mg of Nolvadex per day (just to make absolutely sure there is no water and everything I get is lean mass).
The part that you may not agree with is the Zone Diet. I'm gaining weight and losing fat. I was 26% BF and now am 22%. I had 12" pencils and now have 16" biceps.
I eat enough protein to feed the muscles and no more carbs than I need to maintain energy and prevent catabolic and ketosis related problems. And only good fat from nuts and dairy and alike.
My thought is that it's not the calories but the content. I think that the FDA used to make assumptions about the content based on the calories. It's much more granular than that in my opinion. What's the difference if you eat 2 slices of bread or a glass of cranberry juice; you get carbs both ways (that's just an example, lets not debate simple vs. complex carbs here). Is a quart of alcohol enough to get a buzz, depends if its beer or whiskey; content right, see where I'm going with this. So low carb, calorie restriction is for me. How many calories are in a round steak vs. whey protein?
I have no doubt that I will get at least 15 pounds and lose more bf this cycle.
I'm going to do a 4 week off cycle after this with HCG and get right back on. I plan to do 400mg and 400mg next cycle.
After that, I'm going back down to 300 mg. and 200 mg for the rest of my life using the same 10 on 4 off testosterone replacement therapy.
Sort of a natural approach, only supplementing my hormones to optimal levels, not super natural levels (although I’m exceeding a little now and certainly will be on my next cycle, but that's only because I love what you guys are doing and want to be bigger). I would consider some dianbol for the next cycle if I could figure out how to get; certainly wouldn’t tell me doc about it. (PM me if you have some pointers here).
I think what most of you are doing is great. Mine is just another approach. Because of my social and professional circle, I can't just show up for work one day at 215 pounds and ripped without creating a scandal.
I started the therapy because of depression, fatigue and low energy. I felt so great that I decided to set my goals much higher.
Steroids are not addicting. Participating in life with a healthy body and positive attitude is!
Let me now you thoughts or comments.
02-09-2002, 11:27 AM #5
Low Carbohydrate F.A.Q.
Low Carbohydrate F.A.Q.
A Brief Introduction to Low Carbohydrate Diets
And Answers to Frequently Asked Questions
(last modified 12/8/2000)
Low carbohydrate diets are based on the theory that many people can not consume large amounts of carbohydrate foods without having their bodies create, and store large amounts of body fat. It is a virtual opposite of the "food pyramid" prescribed by most nutrition authorities. Prohibited (or severely limited) foods are all starches and sugars, including all grains, cereals, potatoes, and foods made with them. Allowed foods are all meats, poultry, fish, shellfish, fats/oils, some dairy products (heavy cream, butter, and some cheeses), most green vegetables, and a few other relatively low carbohydrate fruits and vegetables (note: unlike other meats and fish, liver and mollusks contain carbohydrates, and therefore must be limited, see "Carbohydrate counts" in the main section of the FAQ). Unlike other diets, most low carbohydrate diets do not stress calorie restriction. You eat allowed foods until you're satisfied, and should never be hungry. The only other important requirement is to drink a large amount of water, but this is now the recommended by all health professionals for everyone, whether on any kind of “diet” or not (see the entry on water, below).
How low is “low?” Low Carbohydrate is roughly defined as any diet which involves under 100g of carbohydrate for the average person. While this will be way too high for many (perhaps most) of us who have already suffered severe metabolic disruption and have considerable weight to lose, it is still low enough for some to experience the metabolic changes and benefits that are characteristic of a lowcarb diet.
There are very significant differences between "low fat" and "low carb" diets. When you starve your body of calories, protein, and fat (as on the standard "low-fat/low calorie weight loss diet), it burns large amounts of both fat AND muscle to provide fuel. You lose weight, but the loss of muscle tissue not only shows physically, but it also reduces your basic metabolic rate, so you need to cut calories EVEN MORE! On a proper lowcarb diet, your body burns mostly FAT (maybe ONLY fat), and preserves your lean muscle tissue. If you do any exercise, you will even ADD lean muscle while still losing fat, thereby INCREASING your basic metabolic rate, and ENHANCING the loss of fat. Since muscle is more dense than fat, you may very well find yourself fitting much smaller size clothing than you think you should at your new weight. This is also the reason that you must check your measurements as well as your weight, since you may at times be getting leaner, while not getting any lighter (but that's a GOOD thing!).
Another difference is the lack of hunger and the absence of "cravings." According to several theories, for some people carbohydrates act very much like an addictive drug. The more they eat, the more they crave those foods. On a low carbohydrate diet, once past the initial few days, those cravings significantly diminish, or disappear completely. Also, most of these plans allow you to eat as much of the allowed foods as you need to be satisfied.
Please remember that these diets are all different to some degree. Foods that may be allowed on one, may not be allowed on another. When in doubt, always follow the plan you have chosen, at least until you have gained enough experience to understand the possible consequences of any changes you may want to make.
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