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guys please feel free to flame:)i have absolutely zero experience with gear, i have almost mastered my weights and nutrition. progress is real good i am currently ending my bulking diet soon. I am pretty much happy with my bulking gains but will try some m1t soon to add a couple of more pounds. i anyway was wondering if i can incorporate winstrol ?. i heard its good for gaining some mass and good for cutting at thesame time? i want the pill form tho. has anyone tried just using it alone?
"i am not ready for real gear just yet anyway was wondering if i can incorporate winstrol ?". :scratch:
Spoon, you realise winstrol is a steroid right?
my mistake i guess what i meant was that can i use it for cutting? and is it milder than other gear?Quote:
Originally Posted by Prime
no you cant
you need winstrol for T3 and clen
winstrol is essential for T3's, because it will help the T3's not to catabolize the muscle, and clenbuterol will assist body-temp
Not to say that it works for everyone, but I just came off a 6wk winny only cycle, just to lean out a bit. My results were great! I had no sides, it didn't shut me down(I ran tribulus with it) and I have way more definition. My abs have never looked as good. Everyone I see can tell a difference, especially if my shirt is off. My diet and cardio were in check and as you know that makes a big difference.
what did your pct consist off? thanks man im new to this:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Surferboy
Winstrol alone wont do much for u, ur diet will. Ive taken Winstrol alone in the past and thought wtf is this. I was at 12% bf and thought the steroid was a waste of money. Then last year i took it and dieted like a mad man, and all i could say is wow!
I think unless ur at less then 10% bf the results ull get from it arent worth the money and having to shoot everday with it. Now if ur already rippped it will take u to that next level...
If ur at a high bf% then id get low first then take it if not its a waste...
Good luck............
My good friend is taking winstrol alone and its working wonders, muscles are much harder and defined, and the catch is, hes only taking 25mg EOD, LOL, After reading what people said about winstrol only cycle i was set on that they didnt work, but i have proof now that they do.
My friend id jacked up and he loves winny. Thats all he does. Im not saying thats what got him jacked but he loves the winny only cycle. But like GotFina said he doesnt have a hi bf% to beging with.
As far as the pct goes, I'm like testsubject. I don't do well with clomid. My body just doesn't like it. I pretty much rely on trib, at about 4 g/day. It always works for me.
I didn't see anything about him saying he's no ready, he just said he had no experaince.. hes on the right track, ask all the questions u want bro!Quote:
Originally Posted by Prime
Like i said up top, i never said it wont work. I said it wont do shyt if ur at a high bf%.
If a person at 13% takes it hell say its the worst steroid out there. Now if a person thats at 8% takes it hell say holy **** this is the best..
It all revolves around diet and bf%....
You're pretty smart for a nubie!! J/K LOL I agree 100%.Quote:
Originally Posted by got fina?
For your info Winny alone for 6 weeks @ 50 mg ED (oral) as a first time cycle will put on 8-10 lbs of superhigh quality muscle which is almost permanent (just like primo-gains)...
So saying it's a waste is total bull...
Greets
Kingofmasters
On what bouncer said about T3, you have to be really careful when using that because it messes with your thyroid. I wouldn't do anything that messes with the thyroid because you can really mees that up, for good.
I agree with the Clen though, but just be aware that it makes your hands shzke like crazy, and don't take it after 12 in the afternoon or you will never be able to sleep. You may have some insomnia with Winny, I did. Just take sleeping pills.
listen to this man he knows his sh!t.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingofmasters
Late replyQuote:
Originally Posted by Spoon
I just started win by itself about 5days ago and all I can say is wow. I was about 13%bf when I started ( probably less now ) and Im on a pretty good diet but not starving myself what so ever. The MOST important thing in taking it by itself is your diet. Even though it's been a short time, call me crazy, my results are spectacular, and my performance in the gym is better too.
Bumping a 9 year old thread? Great first post, NOT!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ddanielaaron
Hope you're looking forward to no libido and ED. post a thread in the correct forum to learn what is wrong with winny alone. Especially at your age.