05-28-2004, 12:12 PM #1New Member
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Still need more gains, What do you think?
Just finished my recent cycle, gained about 14 pounds, the cycle was -
1-4 Dbol 30mg e/d
1-12 Sust 250mg E3D
1-12 Deca 150mg E3D
Clomid as usual PCT
Didn't get any further gains after week 8. Still looking for another 7 or 8 pounds.
I'm now looking at my next cycle, i'm thinking of maybe increasing the Dbol to 40mg E/D for weeks 1-4 and using test e at 250mg EOD. Would this give me the extra gains I need. I'm going to give my body a few months off the gear first though.
Your advice wouyld be muchly appreciated, or if anyone thinks i should add something to this new cycle, please let me know.
6ft 2in, 200lbs.
05-28-2004, 12:19 PM #2
cycle history would have been nice.... but I'll work with what I have....
You can try putting the d-bol to 40mg ED, I suggest splitting them up throughout the day.
Try the sust at day 2, 5 and 7. Just don't want your dosages to jump up there too fast. Even better would be enth at 600mg a week.....
You may want to try EQ as some people prefer it to deca ..... If you go EQ run 500mg a week.
Now.... the nolva. Why did you run Nolva throughout your cycle. Usually I recommend having it on hand but not running it until signs of gyno show up.... If they don't then you don't run it. The reason for this is the fact that the extra water retention and estrogen can actually be benificial to your gains..... More water = more weight = more displacement = more strength = more muscle gains..... So unless you are prone to getting gyno (and know it will be a problem) then wait until you get symptoms before running it. If you do get symptoms, run it at 50mg until the symptoms subside, then run it at 20mg the rest of the cycle.
Hope this helps.
05-28-2004, 12:23 PM #3Originally Posted by Crankin'steiN
05-28-2004, 12:24 PM #4Originally Posted by Russ616
Also, explain why you think that it will not affect gains at all..... Do you not agree with this >>> More water = more weight = more displacement = more strength = more muscle gains
If not, please tell me why.
05-28-2004, 12:40 PM #5Originally Posted by Crankin'steiN
05-28-2004, 12:45 PM #6Originally Posted by Russ616
At 10mg of nolva and .25mg of Ldex you aren't ridding your body of estrogen....you're simply limiting it and its effects. In addition, nolva will still maintain many of the estrogenic positive effects...... even in the absence of estrogen, which isn't likely to happen anywhere near these doses.
Last edited by Russ616; 05-28-2004 at 12:48 PM.
05-28-2004, 12:47 PM #7
good call, russ.
and CHECK THAT DIET. if you're not gaining enough weight, you're not eating enough. its that simple.
05-28-2004, 12:47 PM #8
It sounds to me bro you need more calsWhen I bulk I start at about 4200 and end at about 6k. Granted its relative to what your weight is to begin with but I think you get the idea
05-28-2004, 12:50 PM #9Originally Posted by Russ616
Of course he would rather gain muscle not water... But I am saying that it will indirectly lead to muscle gains...
I will come back to read your article...
05-28-2004, 12:53 PM #10Originally Posted by Crankin'steiN
05-28-2004, 12:54 PM #11Originally Posted by Russ616
We both have our opinions on it.... So we'll just have to agree to disagree.
05-28-2004, 12:55 PM #12Originally Posted by Russ616
Also, another thing to note in including L-dex is the effect it has on Nolva. Nolva and Clomid are both SERMs, but are selctive in which ERs they bind to. Clomid is selective to suprapituitary, and Nolva is selective to breast, bone, and liver. With an AI addition, you inhibit estrogen converison, which in turn allows Nolva to work stronger as a secondary stimulator for LH next to clomid; this making recovery faster.(It still has this effect without the AI, just not to the same extent). With Clomid/Nolva without the AI, Nolva is primarly being used to prevent binding of excess estrogen produced post cycle.
05-28-2004, 12:56 PM #13Originally Posted by Russ616
05-28-2004, 01:05 PM #14Originally Posted by Crankin'steiN
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