05-30-2004, 02:19 PM #1
got asked to be a source at the gym today(might be a cop), help me out please.....
ive been going to this new gym for about 3 weeks now. its nice, has every single piece of equipment i need plus more, saunas, pools, all that nonsence i dont need. im not the biggest person in the gym but im a good size.im 5'10 205 lbs with a 8% bodyfat, i have chicken legs though.i am all upper body which doesnt bother me much.there are a few guys in there pushing 250+ lbs doing behing the neck military's with 275, bigger than me.
so i was going through my usual back routine today, do my deads, etc etc etc.im all ready to go and i had my head phones on.so i take them off and go inside the bathroom and just throw some water on my face cuzz it feels good.as i walk back out i see someone lookin at me so i say "whatsup" and just keep walkin. i go to grab my stuff and leave and he starts to ask how i got to where i am now. so i explain the diet bull****, training, taking me years blah blah blah and he starts to throw in a discussion about roids and genetics. so i act like i dont know what he's talkin about but i heard him say something like, "ya its almost impossible to bench more than 315 naturally, and deadlift 400", when he saw me an hour ago doing 495 on deads for reps. so i said "where are you trying to go with this?". he says "im just lookin for the good stuff bro". this guy is african american but he's clean cut, in my area theres alot of african americans but few that use good manners and are clean cut. so i was like "i dont know what your talkin about" and i just leave.
should i be worried about this guy?im kinda worried that i might have some cops coming on to me but im not sure if he's a cop.maybe i should have 1 of my friends talk to him about it and act like they dont know me?what should i do fellaz?
05-30-2004, 02:24 PM #2
Isn't it illegal for a cop to ask you to do something illegal?
entrapment definition – entrapment is where a police officer or other law enforcement officer induces a person to commit a crime that the person wouldn’t have committed otherwise for the purpose of bringing a criminal prosecution against that person
05-30-2004, 02:26 PM #3
probably, but it wouldnt matter if you did it, the cop would be let off and youd get ****ed.
Hey, you can talk to him about gear, anyone can knowing info isnt illegal
just dont sell him any
05-30-2004, 02:27 PM #4
I think you should do leg press burn-outs j/k.
Anyone who would be that forward with the questions, (IMO), be wary of. Even if its not a cop & probably isn't, he probably has a big mouth.
05-30-2004, 02:28 PM #5
warrior, youre right... sort of
entrapment only applies when someone is enticed to do something that they wouldnt normally be inclined to do ... this means that if you are already under suspicion of selling, based on a tip or something... then its no longer deemed entrapment.
i hope that clears things up.
itsallmental... if you have ANY wierd vibes from this guy... DONT DEAL WITH HIM. making a few bucks is not worth spending 5 years in prison.
05-30-2004, 02:28 PM #6
it just seemed like he was trying to get me to say the word "roids" or give him a price.like he himself didnt say the word roids, his discussion sounded too complicated to be from an everyday person. i had some needles in my truck that i bought from tractor supply a couple weeks ago and i just took them out, incase he got some funny ideas of setting me up outside of the gym driving home somehow.
ive always been under the impression that, an off duty officer has the right to say anything he wants to or has to to make a bust?
05-30-2004, 02:30 PM #7
yea thats the impression i get, and it's prolly true, as once they get you whatever they did would be excused:|
05-30-2004, 02:33 PM #8
Sounds suspicious to me, if he asks again tell him
he needs to eat more nitro-tech.
05-30-2004, 02:33 PM #9
i know quite a few sources who sell directly to cops. personally i dont do anything i'm not comfortable with... no need for excess stress or anything like that.
05-30-2004, 02:35 PM #10Originally Posted by itsallmental
But yeah - if you don't know this guy... I wouldn't go any further... the fact that a stranger would walk up to you asking for something he could administer IM into himself sounds like risky behavior...
Fuk - I wouldn't ask anybody I hadn't got to know first... why even put someone in that position? Sounds strange to me...
05-30-2004, 02:35 PM #11
Very true, i knew a guy that supplier 4-6 cops of a small town police force including a ex NPC state champ... Cops need sources to you all know that...
Originally Posted by floyd_turbo
05-30-2004, 02:39 PM #12Associate Member
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Sounds a little bit sketchy, I'd say why bother, unless you need the money and even then he sounded too forward to me, I wouldnt have the balls to walk up to some rando at the gym and strike up a conversation about juice. But i guess that could just be me, I just prefer to keep it a little more quiet for variuous reasons that I am sure most can appreciate.
05-30-2004, 02:43 PM #13New Member
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An officer off-shift is still considered an officer if his activities would lead to an investigation and subsequent criminal prosecution.
An off-shift officer still must conform to the law for an arrest to be valid. An under-cover officer will have more leeway. Under-cover officers are more about collecting information and setting up a raid.
Monstercojones is correct, entrapment is a difficult defense.
05-30-2004, 03:07 PM #14
ya theres no way im gonna source for anything ever.even my own source is kinda sketchy on who he deals with and i understand that.if this guy comes up to me again, ill just kinda ignore him i guess, the only problem is i have a short temper, and if he starts bothering me and i go buck wild, then oh boy all the people in the gym are gonna see a "roid rage " i guess is what theyre gonna call it. ****, i hate people sometimes.
05-30-2004, 03:11 PM #15Originally Posted by K$I$N$G$P$I$N
tell him to take nitro tech like theres no tomorrow and he'll be big in no time
05-30-2004, 03:25 PM #16
05-30-2004, 03:29 PM #17
Why even bother or be worrie do u carrie anything with u ??? or are u planning on selling anything ?? i mean i wouldnt give a rats ass what ppl would be saying or asking !
05-30-2004, 03:51 PM #18
Well you don't need to worry about being rushed in on while sitting watching TV or while driving. They need probable cause to do that. If you don't sell to the undercover, if thats what he is, then you are cool. If you don't sell now then don't start, if you are a source for a couple of people I would find someone that can vouch for him. I did 4 years in prison because of a snitch. I brought someone in that I didn't do any checking on and I was driving back from North Jersey doing the speed limit and was coming over the Delaware Memorial Bridge, got pulled over and I asked the cop why he was pulling me over and he said for doing 53 in a 50. So I hit the gas because I had a quarter key of coke in the car and I knew no one gets pulled over for 3 miles over the limit. So anyway my lawyer did a motion for discovery and this little piece of **** that I came to trust was an informant. Then somebody said to me......Oh **** I could of told you that, he got 3 heroin charges and never spent a day in jail.
If I would of asked I would of never got pulled over that day because that piece of **** wouldn't of gotten let in to my circle.
05-30-2004, 03:55 PM #19Originally Posted by Lozgod
im really sorry to hear that bro... i've had some run-ins with snitches myself and the spineless bastards can really ruin your life if you're not careful.
05-30-2004, 04:11 PM #20
this reminds me of when i couldnt score anything and was desperate.. i am sitting a class of about 20 guys. this is a lecture on vasectomys my health provider makes you take before the snip. anyway this huge ass guy comes in and anyone could tell he juiced. he say next to me and during the question and answer part he brings up a question "will hormone injections have any effect on the surgery" im like yes! I'm going to hit this guy up... after the class i asked him if he could get me anything and he wouldn't even answer im like come on man im desperate, he's like go to mexico... dam what was i thinking? if it wasn't for people i met here i would still be asking people ... i guess the moral of the story is your not always a cop if you ask. btw warrior watch out theres a bird over your shoulder.
05-30-2004, 04:13 PM #21
05-30-2004, 04:23 PM #22Originally Posted by trailrider38
05-30-2004, 05:05 PM #23
You got arrested for selling recs and you're blaming it on the snitch?
Originally Posted by Lozgod
05-30-2004, 05:09 PM #24Originally Posted by chrisAdams
Yes, that was the point I was trying to get across.......I thought it was obvious????????
05-30-2004, 05:52 PM #25Originally Posted by chrisAdams
imo selling drugs isnt a moral fault. people are going to get their drugs one way or another. i dont sell them, but that doesnt mean that i think of myself as being better than someone who does.
05-30-2004, 05:56 PM #26Originally Posted by monstercojones
05-30-2004, 05:57 PM #27
maybe the guy is just a dumbass..
05-30-2004, 05:58 PM #28Originally Posted by Lozgod
i feel ya on the used cars bro... i sold electronics for commission until i got fed up and quit yesterday. too many greeedy people out there.
05-30-2004, 06:11 PM #29
I would just avoid him and if he does talk to ya bro work him over for info, like he knows everything. I would just use him like he is just a source of info, thats it no chatter about anything illegal unless he brings it up and if he does just pick his brain
05-30-2004, 06:16 PM #30Originally Posted by Lozgod
05-30-2004, 06:47 PM #31
If he bothers you about it again ask him if he is a cop. If he is a cop he HAS to tell you. If he says no and something happens you get busted, then thats entrapment and everything gets thrown out. Just remember cops can ask anyone anything anytime there is nothing illegal about that. Just be aware of the CI's that the cops use. (Confidential Informants) Anything you say voluntarily can be used against you.
05-30-2004, 06:58 PM #32Originally Posted by sooners04
That is the biggest misconception in the world. If they are working undercover they are allowed to deny their law enforcement ties to protect themselves. Entrapment is when you are walking down the street minding your business and a cop says hey come here. Let's sell drugs together, then busts you 2 months later. Entrapment hardly ever happens. Probaly almost never.
05-30-2004, 07:14 PM #33
So your saying a cop asks me to come sell drugs with him. I ask him if he is a cop and he says no so I do it. Thats not entrapment. See Warrior's post and def of entrapment. I think that falls under the inducing a person to committ a crime that he or she wouldn't normally commit if they knew there was a cop involved and criminal charges would be put against them. Plus I am an attorney and I can dig up case law on it if you guys want.
05-30-2004, 07:16 PM #34Originally Posted by Warrior
05-30-2004, 07:19 PM #35Originally Posted by sooners04
05-30-2004, 07:23 PM #36Originally Posted by sooners04
05-30-2004, 07:25 PM #37Originally Posted by Lozgod
If someone comes up to you in the gym and says, "Will you sell me some steroids ... some of the good stuff?" "Are you a cop?" "No." And you got Dianabol in your bag... you hand him a handful for 30 bucks - is that a legit bust for the cop? Does that fall under entrapment?
05-30-2004, 07:29 PM #38Originally Posted by Warrior
This is an important discussion and all veiwpoints need to be discussed because AAS's are really flaring up in the news and I think in the next few years the same things that apply to the crackheads will apply to us.
05-30-2004, 07:50 PM #39
If your not sourcing at your gym than frig it dont go there
05-30-2004, 07:54 PM #40
I don't think it's a moral fault either. But i do think that if you're going to do it you should accept the risks and if you get caught the blame goes on no one but yourself.
Originally Posted by monstercojones
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