CA's POTENTIAL first run

As for planning my first cycle, this may seem somewhat arrogant, but i don't think only one compound is going to be the route for me. I'm thinking that i'll probably run longer esters but maintain every other day injections, and run two compounds, one of course being testosterone, and possibly a third in anavar for an oral.

The second compound however leaves me ponderous. Possibly deca? my shoulder hasn't been the same since a dislocation a few years ago. Maybe i can find solace in it's lubricative and collagen stimulating properties? Maybe EQ, to obtain leaner gains and keep the suspicion away. Instead possibly a long estered version of masteron that red star is coming out with soon. Fina is out of the question, as i want my first cycle to be as side effect free as possible. Maybe i'll even splurge and get some primo. Who knows.

I figured i'd run typical first cycle doses, 500 mg/week for the test, and 400 mg/week for my second compound. Var, if chosen, i'll run the last 8 weeks at 30 mg/day. .25 mg arimidex, and 10 mg nolva all the way through, and pheedno's pct should keep the boobs off me.

I'm looking forward to this, but i'm also a tad reluctant. I know i'm shorter, (5'9) which makes it's somewhat easier to look like i've got a decent amount of muscle, but i'm really proud of what i've accomplished naturally, and I'm worried that i'll wonder how much farther i could've gone.

At the same time however, I know that i will have nothing to regret once the cycle is underway, and i gain like i never have before, and never could've imagined.

I guess we'll see how it goes.

**** bro...congrats on the attempt to hit up the sauce....i personally think that only 2 compounds are necessary...but to all his own....id go wit the EQ...JMO

test deca d-bol, or test eq d-bol would be the way to go IMO...

i dont know why var has gotten so much hype here lately, but use it if you want...i would spend my money on more test...or better yet some test prop to run in the weeks up to pct...

money is not an issue. I will be homebrewing.

I love the EQ/Test combo with a jumpstart of VAR. That was my first cycle and it was more successful than my 2nd cycle of TEST/ DBOL/DECA

CA turning to the darkside, if your worried about losing natty potential why not take this last year all natural bulk up in the winter cut it before summer and see how you look. i think it would suck if you hopped on the sauce and you later regret it. but your a smart bro and what ever choice you make will be the right one.

dbol, test, eq was my first.....and i wouldn't change one thing about the way i did it.

It's looking like the majority of people are recommending EQ. I figured as much. Can anyone make a case for deca?

The var i'm just considering because i really like my liver, and would like to experience the oral with the least toxicity issues. plus, if i'm running test and deca, the dbol will probably bloat me much more than i'd like.

I have some questions:
1.) Goals, what are you looking to get out of the cycle?
2.) Have you determined the length of the cycle? Or at least a rough idea?
3.) Are you able to train around your shoulder to a satisfactory degree?
4.) IYO, do you have any severely lagging bodyparts? If yes, do you have a training plan to rectify the underdeveloped bodypart?
5.) To the best of your knowledge, is your life schedule going to remain reasonably stable over the next few months?

The biggest thing that came to mind when I read your post was the part about possible regret and wondering if you could have gone further natural etc. Make sure you slay this beast before starting the cycle, you want to be solely focused on training and eating.

why are you considering to NOT run only 1 compound as a first cycle?

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Originally Posted by chrisAdams

It's looking like the majority of people are recommending EQ. I figured as much. Can anyone make a case for deca?

The var i'm just considering because i really like my liver, and would like to experience the oral with the least toxicity issues. plus, if i'm running test and deca, the dbol will probably bloat me much more than i'd like.

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if you choose EQ i would go 600mg...ive been reading on it and thinking about useing it soon b/c i have 50mls burining a hole in my homebrew basket of goodies...but all ive read is higher doses make better cycles with EQ...its mild, and your only worry should be your red blood cell count...but that would be a rare case...

I like your proposed idea of test eq and var. Nothing wrong with that at all. You obviously have your training and diet down so no worries. I think a test primo var cycle would be pretty good too since it is all home brew

Here's my case for deca, brother.
I ran prop/tren for a first cycle to avoid "suspicion". Screw that.
I wish I'd run better mass drugs.
So run the deca. You'll be halfway through your cycle with EQ and wish you were gaining more. This is your BEST cycle (potentially, at least). Make the best of it in gains. Don't waste time on gear that will provide less than spectacular gains, like EQ does.

Test
Deca
Dbol

It's a classic for a reason!

By the way... people will know anyway most likely, so at least don't disappoint them!
:D

if your goal is all out mass and you dont care about bloat, go with deca, i kept 95% of weight and strenght on my deca cycle. i like it, lubes the joints and strenght gains are crazy especialy if this is your first time.

On an easier note, if you want the benefits of deca without the bloat, you could run test prop and nandrolone phenylprop.
The deca's bloat doesn't actually get into the joints. So deca's benefits on collagen synthesis and synovial fluid will still occur.

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Originally Posted by chicamahomico

I have some questions:
1.) Goals, what are you looking to get out of the cycle?
2.) Have you determined the length of the cycle? Or at least a rough idea?
3.) Are you able to train around your shoulder to a satisfactory degree?
4.) IYO, do you have any severely lagging bodyparts? If yes, do you have a training plan to rectify the underdeveloped bodypart?
5.) To the best of your knowledge, is your life schedule going to remain reasonably stable over the next few months?

The biggest thing that came to mind when I read your post was the part about possible regret and wondering if you could have gone further natural etc. Make sure you slay this beast before starting the cycle, you want to be solely focused on training and eating.

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Goals, 15 lbs kept after completion of cycle.
Length, 12 weeks

Training around shoulder is not an issue. Completely functional, just annoying. It was a partial posterior delt tear.

Lagging body parts are legs, in particular the right (knee surgery cause a lot of atrophy). I've split up legs into two days, doing calves both. There are 4 days apart. Squats, leg press, extensions, calves one day.. Then deadlifts, stiff deads, and laying ham curls along with calves the other. It's brought me from around 20 inches right after my surgery in august to about to break into 25.

My life is going to be more than relatively stable. It'll be utter monotany.

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Originally Posted by itsallmental

why are you considering to NOT run only 1 compound as a first cycle?

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Because of testosterone's highly negative impact on collagen synthesis, i feel it's a safeguard to run a collagen synthesis enhancing compound.

Sounds like you are good to go. IMO, the cycle you outlined in the 1st post in this thread will give you what you are looking for. I would use eq as the second compound. I did a 10 weeker of:

400 test E -- 12 weeks
400 eq -- 12 weeks
30 mg dbol -- 1st 4 weeks
50 mg winstrol -- last 4 weeks

Gained about 25 lbs and kept about 15 of it. Got way to fat for my liking, but it's hard not to when you put that much weight on that fast. I found out that those doses are way to high for me personally, at least they were at that time.

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Originally Posted by chrisAdams

Goals, 15 lbs kept after completion of cycle.
Length, 12 weeks

Training around shoulder is not an issue. Completely functional, just annoying. It was a partial posterior delt tear.

Lagging body parts are legs, in particular the right (knee surgery cause a lot of atrophy). I've split up legs into two days, doing calves both. There are 4 days apart. Squats, leg press, extensions, calves one day.. Then deadlifts, stiff deads, and laying ham curls along with calves the other. It's brought me from around 20 inches right after my surgery in august to about to break into 25.

My life is going to be more than relatively stable. It'll be utter monotany.

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i will say that deca worked amazing for me i have used it twice and both times i have gained 20 pounds plus, and kept it, not to mention your joints feel amazing while your on it, however as affects everyone differently and unfortunatly you dont know until you try, best of luck bro and please dont jump into anything you might regret.

I'm going with nandrolone.

1-13 500 mg test cyp
1-14 500 mg nandrolone phenylprop
14,15 500 mg test prop

I'm giving the deca an extra week to clear by throwing prop in at the end for a couple weeks. .25 mg arimidex and 15 mg nolva throughout. I'm going to be running pheedno's pct.

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Originally Posted by chrisAdams

It's looking like the majority of people are recommending EQ. I figured as much. Can anyone make a case for deca?

The var i'm just considering because i really like my liver, and would like to experience the oral with the least toxicity issues. plus, if i'm running test and deca, the dbol will probably bloat me much more than i'd like.

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i have nothing against deca... as a matter of fact, i love it... the plus side is it helps with my bad joints...

I have to say that you have a nice looking lat spread for being natural. You have to be doing deadlifts. Right???? Spinal erectors are pretty fat if not.

You will love nandrolone phenylprop. And would suggest why not use Test prop all the way thru with it. That will be a great cycle with no need to use a oral to kick it off. (from feedback im not impressed with Anavar) less sides though. With a gram of gear for your first cycle you are gonna be jacked!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Anhydro78

I have to say that you have a nice looking lat spread for being natural. You have to be doing deadlifts. Right???? Spinal erectors are pretty fat if not.

You will love nandrolone phenylprop. And would suggest why not use Test prop all the way thru with it. That will be a great cycle with no need to use a oral to kick it off. (from feedback im not impressed with Anavar) less sides though. With a gram of gear for your first cycle you are gonna be jacked!!!!!!!!!!

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aww shucks. Thanks for noticing. DL's are my single favorite exercise.

Yeah, I agree on the test prop.
If you're gonna be pinning ED or EoD anyway, might as well just do all short esters.

Wow Chris, good luck bro! cant wait to see how you respond

I don't really know what to say other than good luck. I think everybody here has pretty well covered it.

I do like the suggestion to run prop with your nandrolone phenylprop.

Best of luck to ya CA.

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Originally Posted by Swellin

I don't really know what to say other than good luck. I think everybody here has pretty well covered it.

I do like the suggestion to run prop with your nandrolone phenylprop.

Best of luck to ya CA.

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does make sense, doesn't it. :) I guess i'll just run the prop all the way through.

bump

You'll like test prop dude. For me its an ester than I can feel more mentally, it increases my sex drive it just feels more like man juice all around. There is also a difference between E/D Eo/D E3/D shots. E/D are the best and wouldnt even do E3/D shots.

I could tell with the deadlifts. If your anything like me thats my best lift. And my back is also my best feature. I can bust some weight out!!!

one last bump.

Revised
1-13 500 mg prop eod
1-12 500 mg nandrolone phenyl prop eod
.25 mg liquidex
15 mg nolvadex

pheedno's pct.

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Originally Posted by chrisAdams

one last bump.

Revised
1-13 500 mg prop eod
1-12 500 mg nandrolone phenyl prop eod
.25 mg liquidex
15 mg nolvadex

pheedno's pct.

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i dont think you meant to put 500mg EOD, but looks fun bro

haha, yeah. i meant eod shots.

Yeah, go for this:
1-13 525 mg/wk prop (150mg EoD)
1-13 525 mg/wk nandrolone phenyl prop (150mg EoD)
.25 mg liquidex
15 mg nolvadex

By making it 525, you have the nice, rounded, easy to measure amount of 75mg ED or 150mg EoD.
Since the active and half lives of both the propionate and phenylpropionate esters are the same, I see no need to stop the nand a week short.

the reason i'm stopping a week short on the nandrolone is because i've read that metabolites of nandrolone are almost as supressive as the nandrolone itself. By giving it a little more time to get out of my system, hopefully i'll have a smoother recovery.

Understood, brother. I hadn't considered that before.
Good luck!

Well Chris good luck....Personally I would run Deca anyday over EQ......Over it.....I think for a first cycle you should blast the **** out of your receptors...you already have the Diet and Training knowledge and I know you will run a cycle properly..so why not go big????? Just my approach.

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Originally Posted by chrisAdams

this may seem somewhat arrogant

At the same time however, I know that i will have nothing to regret once the cycle is underway, and i gain like i never have before, and never could've imagined.

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Do you really think you've reached your natural potential?

BTW that's a **** load of gear for a first cycle. You'll be injecting over a gram of anabolic compounds for 15 weeks + orals.

A lot of great bodybuilders have made good gains using only 250-350mg/week of test or deca (for a first cycle). Why do you think you need more?