Thread: Lost most of gains
06-02-2004, 08:12 PM #1
Lost most of gains
Back to the board after a few months away. Finished a great mass cycle of Test/Deca /D-bol last fall and put on 35lbs! (alot of bloat though). I went from 155lbs to 185lbs, and I had been training for 8 years natural prior to that.
That said, I think a made a critical error in my PCT over the last months. I'm down to 165lbs now (lost 20lbs since I came off AS). I'm trying to account for what happened (I had good PCT of Clomid 300/100/50 and 20mg Nolve/ed for 30 days)
1. Trained a bit less so I didn't over train
2. Cut my calories slowly from 3500 when on to 2600 when off (15 calories/lb of Body wieght) . By my figures, I should have stayed above 170lbs with that calorie intake????
I'm looking at a second cycle but want to try and keep as much as possible. It was VERY depressing losing 20lbs of the 30lbs I gained.
Please let me know your advice on a good cycle that I can keep gains on as well as good PCT advice, apparently I need it.
06-03-2004, 07:18 AM #2Originally Posted by NJou812
06-03-2004, 08:00 AM #3
during your PCT don't you want to keep your calories as high as when on gear?
06-03-2004, 08:22 AM #4
yea bro ur cals should be as high when you were on gear or higher. Dont try to cut up during PCT, do that after!
06-03-2004, 08:24 AM #5Junior Member
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06-03-2004, 08:46 AM #6Originally Posted by NJou812
06-03-2004, 08:51 AM #7
Russ i would refute the use of ldex during PCT. Swale said this over at s'ology.
"I like Arimidex during the cycle (in fact, consider use of an AI while taking aromatisables a necessity) but it ABSOLUTELY should not be used post cycle (even though it has been shown to increase LH production) because the risk of driving estrogen too low, and therefore further damaging an already compromised Lipid Profile, is too great (this also drives libido back into the ground—and we don’t want that, do we?)."
Swales a physician of somesort.
06-03-2004, 11:18 AM #8
2600 is my maintananance calories at 150 lbs. maybe that explains it. I'm 180 now, and i need 3400 just to maintain.
Also, because deca has some very long lasting metabolites that can be suppressive on your system, it's better to run clomid/nolva for an extra week. hope this helps you prevent the same mistake next time.
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