Newbie on Deca

[Tryin2getHUGE]

Hi everybody. Thanks so far for all your help. I have another question. If I just take 500mg Deca QV 300 wk/ for 12 weeks, will I be ok without Nolva or clomid?

This is my first cycle.

If not, can I take:

500 mg/ wk Super TEST-250 w/out nolva or clomid?

or

Should I take just Stan QV 10 @ 50mg wk/ for 10 weeks?

Thanks again guys.

[kronik]

Why are you not wanting to to PCT? Is it a money issue?

[nsa]

Do some research, aside of the test cycle those cycles looks horrid, and yes you need pct.

[Tryin2getHUGE]

I know that I NEED to PCT, but I was just curious if it was an option if I used the gear at low dosages.

Also, If I eat clean and add weight naturally, can I use the Stan qv 10 to tighten up without any sides?

Thanks again for all your help.

[nsa]

Even at lose dose your hpta is suppressed, often you get all the suppression without all of the gains, so i would say just go normal dose and do pct.

You should run test with winstrol .

[Tryin2getHUGE]

Thanks bro. Listen though, since I am gonna wait until I get all the gear to properly pct, do you think I can run the stan qv 10 at 50mg/ wk for 5 weeks to lean up with minimal sides? And if yes, will I loose mass put on by natural training and eating clean?

[Demon Deacon]

T2gh You need test in any cycle. Which means you need anti-es in every cycle. I dont like at what you are trying to get at. It is not ok to run winny by itself. It is not ok to take deca by itself. Take it from me and my experience. You need test in every cycle so that you dont destroy your HPTA. You will get maximum sides without the test not minimum. Whats worse a little acne from test or shutting down you sex drive and test production for months by only taking deca by itself.

[BUYLONGTERM]

Cycles are horrible. YOU ABSOLUTELY NEED PCT especially with DECA ! Deca will shut you down hard even at a low dose. Always, always, always use test as a base for any cycle

[BUYLONGTERM]

Oh, unless you want your joints to look like a desert, I strongly suggest not using Winstrol for more than 6 weeks!

[Tryin2getHUGE]

Thanks......... Ok since I dont have all the gear to run proper pct (all I have is deca , test, and winny) I will just get a solid base and hit it up later when I have all my gear in place. Thanks again guys

[bubbathegut]

why is test needed in every cycle? is this just the norm or is there a reasoning why it is needed?

[nsa]

You have 200+ posts and don't know why test is needed? Its a base for all good cycles. It will help with the sides effects of certain steroids , like deca , tren , etc. and it is a good anabolic component of a cycle.

[leanmachine]

This is why everyone gets flammed. Do a search under deca or deca only cycles. There are tons of posts, people asking the same thing, always run it through the search first, b4 you ask.

[bubbathegut]

i was asking a question why you all thought it was necassary, i know its not necessary for every cycle, for instance if you were doing a cutting cycle, you would not want to take any roids that convert into estrogen...and post count is not a sign of intelligence or ignorance, and for someone that has never done a cycle you sure know alot about it...

[nsa]

Thats why you run l-dex and nolvadex throughout acycle. So there is no aromatization. And most cutting cycles should have test in it.

[bubbathegut]

it still aromatizes, and nolva just blocks the estrogen from going into the receptor...if you take something doesnt aromatize then there is no worry about bloat and gyno...

[KINGKONG]

it still aromatizes, and nolva just blocks the estrogen from going into the receptor...if you take something doesnt aromatize then there is no worry about bloat and gyno...

You want to run test for to many reasons to name but the biggest
is so you can blow a wad...It makes a great base for all cycles.
L-dex is an aramatose inhibiter your right test will still aromatize, but
it's blocked like 80% so theres not much with L-dex..

[Russ616]

Cycles are horrible. YOU ABSOLUTELY NEED PCT especially with DECA! Deca will shut you down hard even at a low dose. Always, always, always use test as a base for any cycle

I agree 100% always need test as base and always need pct..