everyone tells you something different.

**irish bulldog** · 06-04-2004, 09:55 AM

i live in northern ireland and people over here seem to run there cycles for 5 to 8 weeks no longer,i wanted to order gear from my source and told him what i wanted for a 12 week cycle and he said thats too long,he has been taking them himself for 3 years.so i got a 5 week cycle of apex eq 200mg/ml and apex prop 125mg/ml .
wk1-5 eq400mg
wk 1-5 prop 250mg
is this a waste and will it be useless doing this 5 wks on 5wks off?

**einstein1905** · 06-04-2004, 10:01 AM

Just because there are people doing it out there, doesn't make it right. With EQ/s long ester, an 8 wek cycle is effectively reduced to no more than a 2 week cycle, where your plasma levels have finally reached the level you want.
If you're going to run EQ, run it for at least 12-14 weeks, otherwise, run bold prop with your test prop.

**cpt steele** · 06-04-2004, 10:04 AM

the eq just starting to get to optimum levels at week 5 you need to run atleast 12. If I understand you correctly you would only be doing prop at 250mg a week? Prop is short estered and need to be used at minimum eod, idealy ed. So yes imo that would be a waste.

**irish bulldog** · 06-04-2004, 10:13 AM

im doing test prop eod at 62mg

**Hazard** · 06-04-2004, 10:32 AM

bro,
Go out and buy more gear...... run the prop atleast 75mg's ED and run 400mg's EQ for 12 weeks

**Anhydro78** · 06-04-2004, 03:24 PM

I feel that the first 4 weeks are really the time where your body is getting into a condition to grow. The first few weeks all the wieght comes easy.And feel thats just your pump. Alot of the time I dont see major strength increases untill after 6 weeks or so without an added Androgen. And think thats when it comes time to fight for keepable muscle.

**bermich** · 06-04-2004, 04:25 PM

Buy 12 weeks of gear. If you feel you are not growing any more after that short suggested 5 week cycle, stop taking it. Im sure you will continue growing and continue using for another 6 or so weeks and you will be glad you have more gear.

Quote for life: Always ask for more than what you need.

**monstercojones** · 06-04-2004, 04:45 PM

bermich.. good advice... ask for more than you need.

Irish...definately get more gear like einstein and everyone said... its really a waste running eq for anything less than 12 weeks. also, prop needs to be run at a minimum of 50 mgs ed for a total of 350 mgs every week in my opinion. definately get more gear. your source is not educated about AS. spend a week on the forum reading and you'll be more knowledgable than he ever will be, no matter how many cycles he's done...

ps- you should trust me, i have a shamrock tattooed on my spine.