Thread: Why is Winny injectable a 17aa ?
06-05-2004, 11:18 AM #1
Why is Winny injectable a 17aa ?
In a recent post, DB and Mud called Winny injectable a 17aa substance. I had always thought that 17aa was only done to orals which must pass thru the liver.
Why is Winny injectable 17aa also ? What is the purpose of 17aa in something you inject since it bypasses the liver
06-05-2004, 11:21 AM #2
they both are the exact same compound. That's why you can drink your injectable winny.
06-05-2004, 11:24 AM #3
06-05-2004, 11:24 AM #4Originally Posted by chrisAdams
06-05-2004, 11:28 AM #5
06-05-2004, 11:31 AM #6Originally Posted by chrisAdams
06-05-2004, 11:35 AM #7
06-05-2004, 11:41 AM #8Originally Posted by kingofmasters
Last edited by chrisAdams; 06-05-2004 at 11:43 AM.
06-05-2004, 11:59 AM #9Originally Posted by chrisAdams
Your no God as is any man --> Critcism is the source of Science!
I just asked for chemical structures because I have never studied or even used Dianabol .
Second of all have you ever Shot Boldenon BASE or a Boldenon variant that has give or take about the same half-life as Dianabol, if not, then you shouldn't say it is completely different from Dianabol (You probably compared it with Equipose which is undecelynate)...
06-05-2004, 12:04 PM #10
lol, dude, i was joking. But.. they are very very different. The androgenic /anabolic ratio is different when comparing boldenone base and dbol . The amount of water retention is a huge difference. No bloat on BB and huge bloat on dbol. Estrogen conversion is far stronger with dbol as well.
It's common knowledge in steroid chemistry that an alkylation or methylation alters the drug's effects greatly.
Last edited by chrisAdams; 06-05-2004 at 12:06 PM.
06-05-2004, 01:01 PM #11
winstrol is a 17aa so it can be used orally..winstrol is not as hard on your liver
when you inject it though,while it dosen't enter the body through the liver it's still
broken down by it..providing a lower but more continous level of stress...The stress
will be amplified taking other orals at the same time...
hope that helps
06-05-2004, 01:13 PM #12
i wouldn't doubt CA on the chemistry stuff at all, the man is a chemistry guru
06-05-2004, 01:24 PM #13
aw, thanks 50.
06-05-2004, 01:32 PM #14
Can we make esters of Winstrol, Dianabol, etc., for injection?
by Bill Roberts <-- Read this for more info
While there are a number of interesting oral steroids that, at first glance, would be appealing candidates for making esters, in fact there are very good reasons why no such products are available. Indeed, there are absolutely no 17-alkylated steroid esters on the market.
First, they would be difficult to synthesize. The 17-methyl group which works to block liver enzymes from reacting with the steroid molecule will also hinder the material one would use to make the ester from reacting with the steroid.
More seriously, there is the fact that a 17-methyl would also block enzymes in the body from hydrolyzing (removing) the ester, which would be necessary to yield the active steroid.
So I do not expect that you will ever see esters of Winstrol , Dianabol , or any 17-alkylated steroid on the market, and don’t recommend that anyone try making them. They would probably be inactive, or if they have any activity, it would be very low
06-05-2004, 01:35 PM #15Originally Posted by UrbanDawg
06-05-2004, 01:56 PM #16Originally Posted by kingofmasters
06-05-2004, 03:17 PM #17Originally Posted by 50%Natural
06-05-2004, 03:34 PM #18Originally Posted by kingofmasters
06-05-2004, 04:05 PM #19Originally Posted by 50%Natural
06-05-2004, 04:54 PM #20
06-05-2004, 05:26 PM #21
That is a link that doesnt work
06-05-2004, 05:32 PM #22
worked fine for me
06-05-2004, 05:39 PM #23
thanks for that link einstein
06-05-2004, 06:55 PM #24
Now it worked after a few tries.
06-05-2004, 07:28 PM #25Originally Posted by Warrior
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