Results 1 to 25 of 25
  1. #1
    UrbanDawg's Avatar
    UrbanDawg is offline Banned
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Location
    cozy little Ghetto in PA
    Posts
    912

    Why is Winny injectable a 17aa ?

    In a recent post, DB and Mud called Winny injectable a 17aa substance. I had always thought that 17aa was only done to orals which must pass thru the liver.

    Why is Winny injectable 17aa also ? What is the purpose of 17aa in something you inject since it bypasses the liver

  2. #2
    Dude-Man's Avatar
    Dude-Man is offline Anabolic Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Location
    Nowhere, USA
    Posts
    5,966
    they both are the exact same compound. That's why you can drink your injectable winny.

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Feb 2004
    Location
    on the dip rack.
    Posts
    1,355
    Quote Originally Posted by chrisAdams
    they both are the exact same compound. That's why you can drink your injectable winny.
    i think he's trying to ask, why injectible winstrol is not 17aa derivitive free, instead of beeing a 17aa steroid which still passes through the liver while beeing injected?

    if your asking that bro i have no idea, i wish i knew that also.

  4. #4
    UrbanDawg's Avatar
    UrbanDawg is offline Banned
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Location
    cozy little Ghetto in PA
    Posts
    912
    Quote Originally Posted by chrisAdams
    they both are the exact same compound. That's why you can drink your injectable winny.

    aaahhhhhhh.....

  5. #5
    Dude-Man's Avatar
    Dude-Man is offline Anabolic Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Location
    Nowhere, USA
    Posts
    5,966
    The reason why the injectable is alkylated is because if it wasn't, it wouldn't be winistrol. It's be something else. Dbol is alkylated boldenone (eq without the ester). Those compounds are nothing alike in effects, but the only chemical difference is the alkylation.

    Now you know.

  6. #6
    Join Date
    Oct 2003
    Location
    Holland
    Posts
    841
    Quote Originally Posted by chrisAdams
    The reason why the injectable is alkylated is because if it wasn't, it wouldn't be winistrol. It's be something else. Dbol is alkylated boldenone (eq without the ester). Those compounds are nothing alike in effects, but the only chemical difference is the alkylation.

    Now you know.
    alkylated boldenone (eq without the ester) --> Sources?

  7. #7
    Dude-Man's Avatar
    Dude-Man is offline Anabolic Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Location
    Nowhere, USA
    Posts
    5,966
    Quote Originally Posted by kingofmasters
    alkylated boldenone (eq without the ester) --> Sources?
    what do you mean sources? how's www.chemfinder.com ? they have molecular pictures of both boldenone and dianabol . take a look for yourself.

  8. #8
    Dude-Man's Avatar
    Dude-Man is offline Anabolic Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Location
    Nowhere, USA
    Posts
    5,966
    Quote Originally Posted by kingofmasters
    alkylated boldenone (eq without the ester) --> Sources?
    know what? your doubting me bothered me so much i got the structures myself. Suck it. They're gifs so you have to click them to see them. See that methyl group on the farthest right carbon in the picture on the right? That's the alkylation. there's a hydrogen there in boldenone . In boldenone, the OH group is where the ester would be in EQ.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Why is Winny injectable a 17aa ?-dbol.gif   Why is Winny injectable a 17aa ?-boldenone.gif  
    Last edited by chrisAdams; 06-05-2004 at 11:43 AM.

  9. #9
    Join Date
    Oct 2003
    Location
    Holland
    Posts
    841
    Quote Originally Posted by chrisAdams
    know what? your doubting me bothered me so much i got the structures myself. Suck it. They're gifs so you have to click them to see them. See that methyl group on the farthest right carbon in the picture on the right? That's the alkylation. there's a hydrogen there in boldenone. In boldenone, the OH group is where the ester would be in EQ.
    Why would me doubting you be such of a bother?
    Your no God as is any man --> Critcism is the source of Science!

    I just asked for chemical structures because I have never studied or even used Dianabol .

    Second of all have you ever Shot Boldenon BASE or a Boldenon variant that has give or take about the same half-life as Dianabol, if not, then you shouldn't say it is completely different from Dianabol (You probably compared it with Equipose which is undecelynate)...

    Greets
    Kingofmasters

  10. #10
    Dude-Man's Avatar
    Dude-Man is offline Anabolic Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Location
    Nowhere, USA
    Posts
    5,966
    lol, dude, i was joking. But.. they are very very different. The androgenic /anabolic ratio is different when comparing boldenone base and dbol . The amount of water retention is a huge difference. No bloat on BB and huge bloat on dbol. Estrogen conversion is far stronger with dbol as well.

    It's common knowledge in steroid chemistry that an alkylation or methylation alters the drug's effects greatly.
    Last edited by chrisAdams; 06-05-2004 at 12:06 PM.

  11. #11
    KINGKONG's Avatar
    KINGKONG is offline Knowledgeable Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Location
    Outside the walls
    Posts
    4,267
    winstrol is a 17aa so it can be used orally..winstrol is not as hard on your liver
    when you inject it though,while it dosen't enter the body through the liver it's still
    broken down by it..providing a lower but more continous level of stress...The stress
    will be amplified taking other orals at the same time...
    hope that helps
    KP

  12. #12
    50%Natural's Avatar
    50%Natural is offline Respected Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2003
    Location
    texas
    Posts
    4,010
    i wouldn't doubt CA on the chemistry stuff at all, the man is a chemistry guru

  13. #13
    Dude-Man's Avatar
    Dude-Man is offline Anabolic Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Location
    Nowhere, USA
    Posts
    5,966
    aw, thanks 50.

  14. #14
    Warrior's Avatar
    Warrior is offline AR-Hall of Famer
    Join Date
    Oct 2002
    Location
    6'0"/248lbs
    Posts
    6,982
    Can we make esters of Winstrol, Dianabol, etc., for injection?
    by Bill Roberts <-- Read this for more info

    While there are a number of interesting oral steroids that, at first glance, would be appealing candidates for making esters, in fact there are very good reasons why no such products are available. Indeed, there are absolutely no 17-alkylated steroid esters on the market.
    First, they would be difficult to synthesize. The 17-methyl group which works to block liver enzymes from reacting with the steroid molecule will also hinder the material one would use to make the ester from reacting with the steroid.

    More seriously, there is the fact that a 17-methyl would also block enzymes in the body from hydrolyzing (removing) the ester, which would be necessary to yield the active steroid.

    So I do not expect that you will ever see esters of Winstrol , Dianabol , or any 17-alkylated steroid on the market, and don’t recommend that anyone try making them. They would probably be inactive, or if they have any activity, it would be very low

  15. #15
    Warrior's Avatar
    Warrior is offline AR-Hall of Famer
    Join Date
    Oct 2002
    Location
    6'0"/248lbs
    Posts
    6,982
    Quote Originally Posted by UrbanDawg
    Why is Winny injectable 17aa also ? What is the purpose of 17aa in something you inject since it bypasses the liver
    For the record - that was a very good question!

  16. #16
    SportsMedVIP's Avatar
    SportsMedVIP is offline Anabolic Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Location
    www.ironforlife.com
    Posts
    3,300
    Quote Originally Posted by kingofmasters
    Why would me doubting you be such of a bother?
    Your no God as is any man --> Critcism is the source of Science!

    I just asked for chemical structures because I have never studied or even used Dianabol .

    Second of all have you ever Shot Boldenon BASE or a Boldenon variant that has give or take about the same half-life as Dianabol, if not, then you shouldn't say it is completely different from Dianabol (You probably compared it with Equipose which is undecelynate)...

    Greets
    Kingofmasters
    Am I wrong in saying that Boldenon Base and D-bol are very different things. Base is just esterless while D-bol is alkylated right? That makes the world of difference. Just think of how tiny of a difference it takes chemically to have water or a bomb. Not much.

  17. #17
    Join Date
    Oct 2003
    Location
    Holland
    Posts
    841
    Quote Originally Posted by 50%Natural
    i wouldn't doubt CA on the chemistry stuff at all, the man is a chemistry guru
    and what, I am chopped liver?

    Just Kidding!

    Kingofmasters

  18. #18
    50%Natural's Avatar
    50%Natural is offline Respected Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2003
    Location
    texas
    Posts
    4,010
    Quote Originally Posted by kingofmasters
    and what, I am chopped liver?

    Just Kidding!

    Kingofmasters
    i don't know of your background....you a chemistry guru yourself?

  19. #19
    Join Date
    Oct 2003
    Location
    Holland
    Posts
    841
    Quote Originally Posted by 50%Natural
    i don't know of your background....you a chemistry guru yourself?
    well my biography can be read if you click on my profile or look at my post-history

  20. #20
    Join Date
    Dec 2003
    Posts
    3,124
    This is a page I've had bookmarked for a long time:
    http://www.anabolicextreme.com/archi..._structure.htm

  21. #21
    Demon Deacon's Avatar
    Demon Deacon is offline Anabolic Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2003
    Location
    Winston-Salem, NC
    Posts
    2,328
    That is a link that doesnt work

  22. #22
    KINGKONG's Avatar
    KINGKONG is offline Knowledgeable Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Location
    Outside the walls
    Posts
    4,267
    worked fine for me

  23. #23
    50%Natural's Avatar
    50%Natural is offline Respected Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2003
    Location
    texas
    Posts
    4,010
    thanks for that link einstein

  24. #24
    Demon Deacon's Avatar
    Demon Deacon is offline Anabolic Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2003
    Location
    Winston-Salem, NC
    Posts
    2,328
    Now it worked after a few tries.

  25. #25
    UrbanDawg's Avatar
    UrbanDawg is offline Banned
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Location
    cozy little Ghetto in PA
    Posts
    912
    Quote Originally Posted by Warrior
    For the record - that was a very good question!
    thanks W!

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •