06-06-2004, 04:17 AM #1
Am I the only one who uses this much?
I am 35 yrs old. 5'9" 225 (one month after my last show) b.f. 8.5%. I started cycling steroids when I was 16. I have no hair loss. My balls never shrink much when cycling, and I have sex almost everyday whether on or off cycle. I do 1 BB show per year outside of the States,and yes I live outside of the States as well. And yes, I have 2 children both of which were conceived while cycling. I sleep well too unless I get hungry at night then I get up to eat and go back to sleep.
My offseason cycles usually go like this:
1. 2 grams of test enanthate week 1-12
2. 1 gram of boldenone endecylenate week 1-12
3. 1 gram of trenbolone acetate weeks 1-5 and 8-12
4. 200mg oxymetholone weeks 1-3
5. No anti-e's (I don't need them)
6. No insulin (diabetes runs in my family and I will not risk it)
5. Weeks 13-20 contest cutting cycle (will post later)
I can easily go up 30-50 lbs with this depending on my diet.
So as not to upset anyone, **I do not recommend this cycle or these dosages for anyone**
I see so much advice and feedback for novice and intermediate level bodybuilders, but very little for advanced and professional level bodybuilders.
Are we going to keep all of this a myth forever?
06-06-2004, 04:25 AM #2
Thats a lot
06-06-2004, 05:31 AM #3
hmm yes that is a lot lol, 2 grams test a week?! you run all that and no anti-e's you're either very lucky or just very stupid
06-06-2004, 07:29 AM #4
well if u can easily go up 30-50 pounds everytime u do this cycle, then do u just drop that 30-50 pounds when your finished ?? this might be because u arent using any PCT....
06-06-2004, 08:21 AM #5
i'd post my cycle but now i'm embarrased it's so small lol
06-06-2004, 08:59 AM #6
I am not trying to die leaving a cock diesel corpse before 50. All of that has to play a role on your adrenal system, lipids, liver, kidneys, heart, etc. No problems now dosen't mean no problems ever. Not wishing that on you or anyone. Just trying to reenforce your disclaimer about not recommending cycles like that for novices.
06-06-2004, 10:01 AM #7
well i never used quite that much at one time,but i am 34 years old been using gear for 9 years and i have taken as much as 1 gram of test wk with 4 anadrol a day with 300 mg deca wk. and no anti -e's. And i have stayed on cycles for as long as a year and only coming off for mabey 1 or 2 months. I am not bald or have ever had any hint of gyno. The only time i had any problems coming off is when i came off for 6 months and did not take enough clomid. I must one of the lucky ones too, because i am not stupid.
06-06-2004, 10:04 AM #8Originally Posted by BodyMechanic
Male pattern baldness must not run in your families. It does in mine though. I'm too cute to lose my hair, I hope it dosen't happen to me. Hasn't so far.
06-06-2004, 10:08 AM #9
no it doesn't in mine and i think that is what makes you lose your hair. Sure gear might speed up the process but the bottom line is you were going to lose it anyway.
06-06-2004, 10:59 AM #10Member
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Thats a lot, but nothing compared to that monster of a cycle BDTR was running/going to run. Heres what I would do if preping like you:
1. 2 grams of test enanthate week 1-12, 150mg Test Prop/ED week 13-20
2. 1 gram of boldenone endecylenate week 1-17
3. 1 gram of trenbolone acetate week 1-5, 13-20
4. 200mg oxymetholone weeks 1-3
5. 150mg Test Prop/ED week 13-20
6. Winny/Masteron ED week 13-20
7. Mixed T3 and Clen 7on 5off week 13-20
HCG 5000ius E3D week 10-12,20-21
10mg Nolva throughout, 20mg PCT
Clearly the first 12 weeks or so is bulking, and then the last 8 is a cut. Recovery is gonna be a bitch with the type of cycle you posted.
06-06-2004, 12:30 PM #11
5 grams of gear a week is huge...
06-06-2004, 09:16 PM #12
06-06-2004, 09:36 PM #13
Your cycles are big but I know many people who do that much. I think you are foolish not to do anti-e's. Do you get blood work are do you just think if you don't get gyno you are fine? I agree with bdtr as well on the EQ/anadrol combo. What is your RBC with that combo?
06-06-2004, 09:44 PM #14King of Supplements
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I dunno if i believe that you actually run that or that you don't run anti-e's or pct... Post some pics.
06-06-2004, 10:46 PM #15
please send me some of your DNA so I can start gene therapy. You are the luckiest ****er in the world of you jiuice like you do and enjoy no sides.
I think you are a bit nuts but - if yer getting away with it .. enjoy
It will eventually catch up to you - not doing PCT after using high doses - continually
06-06-2004, 10:48 PM #16
cool avatar thuderin ..isnt that from warcraft frozen throne???
06-06-2004, 11:24 PM #17
You sound suspicious to me? Something not right with you bro...sorry
06-06-2004, 11:26 PM #18Associate Member
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hahaOriginally Posted by rxarms
06-06-2004, 11:59 PM #19Member
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The way you run that tren doesnt even give it enough time to kick in does it? Most people say tren should beran atleast 8 weeks. 4 weeks 3 off then 4 on, arent you stoppin the tren just when it would be kicking in?
06-07-2004, 12:13 AM #20LM1332 Guest
maybe he just forgot to put pct down
06-07-2004, 12:15 AM #21
Personally I just have decided high dose cycles are the way I'm
goin to run all my cycles from now on... That being said that cycle
you have listed is one hell of a cycle and makes mine look small...
Everyone responds to chemicals in different ways... So I agree with
your point about how 90% of the cycles discussed on AR are about
400-500mg of test with some deca or eq thrown in and that's it...
I would welcome a discussion about high dose cycles myself... One
thing I do agree with the other bros already said is running that much
Eq and Drol together is not a safe combination... I know the Drol is only
for a 3 week kick start, but I would replace it with D-bol just to be safe...
06-07-2004, 12:21 AM #22
06-07-2004, 12:32 AM #23
I don't believe that for one second and I'll tell you why...
I have always ran around 600-800mg of Test as a base
with maybe one other compound like Deca for 400mg...
Always made really good gains, so no complaints...
This cycle decided to run higher doses and the strength
gains and size gains have been nothing close to what I
experienced at lower doses... Main difference is the gains
in strength have been jumping up like crazy with no signs
of slowing down... and honestly the side effects are no worst,
at least for me... 20mg of nolva is all I'm taking for the estrogen
sides and I have next to no acne or any other sides...
Current cycle is simply:
Test Ent 1,200mg week
EQ 600mg week
Tren Ent 500mg week
D-Bol 80-90mg day (during weeks 1-4)
Originally Posted by rxarms
06-07-2004, 11:35 AM #24
good to know buff...I guess actual results always provide more credence over science???
06-07-2004, 11:46 AM #25
I can't believe that he runs NO PCT. I mean forget everything else in his cycle but a gram of TREN alone would shut down anyone!!!!! I also can't believe with that much gear he gets NO atrophy! But to each his own.
06-07-2004, 11:54 AM #26Originally Posted by Lozgod
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