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    TESTOVIRON DEPOT , queston

    Hi , let me say hello , and hope i stay around

    Right the anabolic TESTOVIRON DEPOT , how good it this steroid ,

    Cheers

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    its good

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    Cheers , and would 1amp be enough a week for a 12 week cycle , taking 40mg of dbol for the first 4 weeks and colmid for 3 weeks after my last injection

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    OMG, you need to rethink things.

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    How much is in the amp 200 mg/ml?

    And the clomid should be started 2 weeks after the last injection.

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    Cheers , yeh i think there 200 an amp ,

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    how bout your age/stats/cycle history

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    Yeah, we need stats and cycle history. Im guessing this is your first tho. And your gonna need 2 amps a week for a good cycle.

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    6'0 , 230 , 25% bf , im 20 year old , and have never cycled before ,

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    If i was you would just use clen and eca instead of AAS. Or if you really want use AAS i wouls say use the test and add winny.

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    Honestly, how long are you training, and where on earth did you get that cycle advice?.

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    What is clen and eca , and after a cycle of these what would u say my weight and bf count was , cheers

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    YOu can never predict the exact reults but it will drop a good deal if you have your diet and cardio in check. And just do a search on clen and eca.

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    Cheers , i just want my bf down

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    Everyone does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayCutler
    Cheers , i just want my bf down
    diet and cardio..
    clen and eca if you want.

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    i have been diet and cardio , for 6 weeks i have been on a diet of around 270 grams of protein a day and about 50 grams of carbs , doing cardio 3 times a week and i have lost 12 pounds , an average of 2 pounds a week ,

    Wud a cycle of Clen help with this then , and would i need to take anything with it exsample milk thistle ? , and how much mcg a day of clen cheers

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    Clenbuterol handbook

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    Clenbuterol handbook
    CLENBUTERAL FAQ: EVERYTHING YOU
    NEEDED TO KNOW ABOUT CLENBUTEROL
    by BigAndy69

    What is Clenbuterol?

    Clenbuterol is a beta-2 agonist and is used in many countries as a broncodilator
    for the treatment of asthma. Because of it's long half life, clenbuterol is not
    FDA approved for medical use. It is a central nervous system stimulant and acts
    like adrenaline. It shares many of the same side effects as other CNS stimulants
    like ephedrine. Contrary to popular belief, Clenbuterol has a half life of 35
    hours and not 48 hours.

    Dosing and Cycling

    Clenbuterol comes in 20mcg tablets, although it is also available in syrup, pump
    and injectable form. It's also available as a powder in some areas. Doses are
    very dependent on how well the user responds to the side effects, but somewhere
    in the range of 4-8 tablets per day for men and 2-4 tablets a day for women is
    most common. Clenbuterol loses its thermogenic effects after around 8 weeks when
    body temperature drops back to normal. Its anabolic /anti-catabolic properties
    fade away at around the 18 day mark. Taking the long half life into
    consideration, the most effective way of cycling clen is 2 weeks on/ 2 weeks off
    for no more than 12 weeks. Ephedrine or Yohimbine can be used in the off weeks.

    Clenbuterol vs Ephedrine vs DNP

    Ephedrine will raise metabolic levels by about 2-3 percent and 200mg of DNP
    raises metabolic levels by about 30 percent. Clenbuterol raises metabolic levels
    about 10 percent and it can raise body temperature several degrees.

    DNP is by far the most effective fat burner but many people will never use it
    because of the risks associated with it. It also offers no anti-catabolic
    benefit. Although it does have anti-catabolic effect, ephedrine's short
    half-life prevents it from being all that effective.

    As far as side effects, Clenbuterol's are certainly milder than DNP's, and some
    would even say milder than an ECA stack. There is no ECA-style crash on
    Clenbuterol and many users find it easier on the prostate and sex drive. This
    may in part be due to the fact that Clen is generally used for only 2 weeks at a
    time.

    Side effects

    NAUSEA
    NERVOUSNESS
    DIZZINESS
    DROWSINESS
    DRY MOUTH
    FACIAL FLUSHING
    HEADACHE
    HEARTBURN
    INCREASED BLOOD PRESSURE
    INCREASED SWEATING
    INSOMNIA
    LIGHTHEADEDNESS
    MUSCLE CRAMPS
    TREMORS
    VOMITING
    CHEST PAIN

    The most significant side effects are muscle cramps, nervousness, headaches, and
    increased blood pressure.

    Muscle cramps can be avoided by drinking 1.5-2 gallons of water and consuming
    bananas and oranges or supplementing with potassium tablets at 200-400mg a
    day taken before bed on an empty stomach. Taurine at 3-5grams is a necessity in
    minimizing cramps.

    Headaches can easily be avoided with Tylenol Extra Strength taking at the first
    signs of a headache.

    Common Uses

    Post-Cycle Therapy: Clen is used post cycle to aid in recovery. It allows the
    user to continue eating large amounts of food, without worrying about adding
    body fat. It also helps the user maintain more of his strength as well as his
    intensity in the gym. Diet: Roughly the same as on cycle.

    Fat loss: The most popular use for Clen, it also increases muscle hardness,
    vascularity, strength and size on a caloric deficit. For the most significant
    fat loss, Clen can be stacked with T3. Diet: A high protein(1.5g per lb of
    bodyweight), moderate carb(0.5g to 1g per lb of bodyweight), low fat diet(0.25g
    per lb of bodyweight) seems to work best with Clen.

    Alternative to Steroids : Clenbuterol has mild steroid -like properties and can be
    used by non-AS using bodybuilder to increase LBM as well as strength and muscle
    hardness. Diet: A moderate carb, high protein, moderate fat diet work well.

    Stimulant/Performance Enhancement: It can be used as a stimulant, but an ECA
    stack may be a better choice because of it's much shorter half-life. Diet: To
    take full advantage of the stimulatory effects of Clen, carbohydrates must be
    included in the diet. Ketogenic diets do not work well in this case.

    Precautions: Is Clen for you?

    The same precautions that apply to Ephedrine must be applied to Clen, although
    some people find ECA stacks are harsher than Clen. It should not be stacked
    with other CNS stimulants such as Ephedrine and Yohimbine. These combinations
    are unnecessary and potentially dangerous. Caffeine can be used in moderation
    before a workout for an extra quick. burst of energy.

    A word on Ketotifen

    Ketotifen is safe antihistamine used extensively some European countries to
    treat asthma and allergies. It can up regulate beta-2-receptors that Clen down
    regulates. Basically, it allows users to extend their use of Clen for 6-8 weeks
    at a time. 2-3mg a day is ideal, 10mg as found in "superclen" can make users
    extremely drowsy. It also increases the effectiveness of Clen so doses must be
    adjusted accordingly. The downfall of this drug is its ability to induce
    extreme hunger is some people, which is not a desirable state to be in when
    dieting.

    Cycling Clenbuterol

    Most users that report bad side effects and discontinue use are those who use
    high doses right at the start of the cycle. The worst side effects occur within
    the first 3-4 days of use.

    A first time user should not exceed 40mcg the first day. Increase by one tab
    until the side effects are not tolerable

    Example of a first cycle:

    Day1: 20mcg
    Day2: 40mcg
    Day3: 60mcg
    Day4: 80mcg
    Day5: 80mcg(Note: Increase the dose only when the side effects are tolerable)
    Day6-Day12: 100mcg
    Day13: 80 mcg (Tapering is not necessary, but it helps some users get back to
    normal gradually)
    Day14: 60 mcgs
    Day15: off
    Day16: off
    Day 17: ECA/ NYC stack

    Example of a second cycle:

    Day1: 60mcg
    Day2: 80mcg
    Day3: 80mcg
    Day4: 100mcg
    Day5: 100mcg
    Day6-Day12: 120mcg
    Day13: 100 mcg
    Day14: 80 mcgs
    Day15: off
    Day16: off
    Day 17: ECA/ NYC stack

    What else do I need to know?

    Taurine MUST be used with Clen at 3-5g daily. Clenbuterol depletes taurine
    levels in the liver which stops the conversion of T4 to T3 in the liver.
    Taurine allows the user to avoid the dreaded rebound effect and painful muscle
    cramps. It's a must with Clen.

    Clenbuterol should not be taken too close to a workout. It can interfere with
    your breathing and complete ruin your workout. When doing cardio, it's
    advisable to stay at a consistent pace and avoid HIIT style routines.

    Do not take Clen Past 4pm and drink plenty of water; 1.5-2 gallons a day
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    I would say yes clen will help you out alot, if your diet and cardio are in check. Start at 20 mcg's a day and pyramid up to what ever you can handle then pyramid down and do this for 2 weeks and then switch to ECA for 2 weeks. OH YEAH 1,000 posts.

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    *ELTROXIN , is that any good , sum one i know has that , but im cluless on wether its effective , cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by nsa
    OH YEAH 1,000 posts.
    senior member in less than 3 months..
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    ELTROXIN (levothyroxine, synthroid )

    Action And Clinical Pharmacology: Levothyroxine sodium is the monosodium salt of the levorotatory isomer of thyroxine (tetraiodothyronine), the principal hormone secreted by the normal thyroid gland.

    Pharmacokinetics: Following oral administration, the absorption of levothyroxine is incomplete and variable (50 to 75%), especially when taken with food. Once absorbed, synthetic levothyroxine is indistinguishable from the endogenous hormone.

    Levothyroxine is nearly totally bound to serum proteins and has an elimination half-life of 6 to 7 days in the euthyroid subject. Half-life is shortened in hyperthyroidism and prolonged in hypothyroidism and in pregnancy. Deiodination of levothyroxine (T4) to 1-triiodothyronine (T3) occurs in various tissues, particularly liver and kidney. T3 is approximately 4 times as potent as T4 on a weight basis.


    The mechanism of action of thyroid hormones is not completely understood. The principle effect is to increase the metabolic rate of body tissues. Thyroid hormones have both catabolic and anabolic effects, and are therefore involved in normal metabolism, growth, and development, especially the development of the CNS in infancy.

    Indications And Clinical Uses: Specific replacement therapy for diminished or absent thyroid function of any etiology.

    Contra-Indications: Patients with hypersensitivity to any ingredient of the tablets and patients with thyrotoxicosis, acute myocardial infarction or uncorrected adrenal insufficiency.


    Manufacturers' Warnings In Clinical States: Lactation: In euthyroid lactating mothers, levothyroxine (endogenous or exogenous) may be secreted into breast milk in amounts sufficient to mask signs of hypothyroidism in the suckling infant.

    The use of levothyroxine in the treatment of obesity in patients who are not hypothyroid has been shown to be ineffective and potentially harmful.

    Precautions: Pregnancy: Levothyroxine does not readily cross the placenta, and when successfully employed to render or maintain the patient in an euthyroid state, therapy is considered to be warranted in pregnant patients.


    Due to the profound effects of thyroid hormones on energy-requiring metabolic processes, the administration of levothyroxine to a hypothyroid patient may unmask occult cardiovascular, endocrine or metabolic disease.

    Hypothyroidism of long standing is associated with atherogenesis, which may or may not fully manifest itself in the hypometabolic state. In such cases levothyroxine should be administered with extreme caution employing low initial dosage increased slowly by small increments, as even a gradual restoration of normal metabolic rate may result in development or exacerbation of myocardial ischemia and angina. In some patients, cardiovascular status may be so compromised that the metabolic demands of the euthyroid state cannot be met, despite the employment of appropriate antianginal therapy. Clinical judgment may then dictate a less-than-complete restoration of thyroid status.


    Endocrine disorders such as diabetes mellitus, diabetes insipidus, Addison's disease (adrenal insufficiency) and hypopituitarism are characterized by signs and symptoms which may be diminished in severity or obscured by hypothyroidism.

    Treatment with levothyroxine may require that appropriate adjustments in therapy for these concomitant disorders be made. In particular, when hypothyroidism is accompanied by adrenal insufficiency (such as in panhypopituitarism), appropriate adrenocortical replacement therapy should be instituted prior to commencement of treatment with levothyroxine in order to prevent the possible precipitation of Addisonian crisis.


    Slightly excessive dosage of thyroid agents were previously recommended for replacement therapy in congenital hypothyroidism (cretinism), since it was thought that slight underdosage was harmful while slightly excessive dosage was not. However, it is currently recommended that excessive dosage be avoided since minimal brain damage has occurred in children with thyrotoxicosis during infancy and excessive dosage may accelerate bone age and cause premature craniosynostosis (see Dosage).


    The intestinal absorption of levothyroxine may be impaired in patients with certain malabsorption states, particularly celiac sprue (gluten enteropathy). Higher dosages of levothyroxine may be required in such patients, especially during exacerbations of the enteropathy.

    Levothyroxine should be used with caution in elderly patients who may be more sensitive to the effects of thyroid hormones (see Dosage).

    Due to potential differences in potency and bioavailability, different levothyroxine products may not be interchangeable. Patients stabilized on a particular brand of levothyroxine should not be unnecessarily switched to another brand. When such a brand change is necessary, the patients must be carefully re-evaluated to assess the potential need for dosage adjustment.


    Drug Interactions: Thyroid hormones potentiate the hypoprothrombinemic effects of oral anticoagulant agents such as warfarin. When treatment with levothyroxine is initiated in patients receiving oral anticoagulants, the prothrombin time should be determined frequently and the anticoagulant dosage reduced appropriately.

    Administration of levothyroxine to a diabetic patient may result in an increase in the patient's requirements for insulin and/or hypoglycemic medication (see above).


    Cholestyramine resin binds levothyroxine in the intestinal tract and substantially impairs its absorption. When the 2 agents must be used concurrently the levothyroxine dose should be taken at least 1 hour before or 4 hours after the dose of cholestyramine, with regular monitoring of thyroid function.

    Phenytoin competes with thyroid hormones for serum protein binding sites, resulting in an increase in the unbound fractions of T3 and T4 and an enhanced thyroid effect.


    Administration of phenytoin to patients stabilized on levothyroxine may necessitate a reduction in the dosage of the latter.

    Phenobarbital induces hepatic enzymes and increases the rate of degradation of thyroid hormones. The dosage of levothyroxine may need to be increased when concurrent therapy with phenobarbital is employed.

    Beta-adrenergic blocking agents may decrease peripheral conversion of T4 to T3, thereby reducing the efficacy of exogenous levothyroxine.


    Estrogens increase serum thyroxine-binding globulin levels, thereby decreasing the unbound fractions of T3 and T4. Administration of estrogen-containing preparations (such as oral contraceptives) to hypothyroid patients may caused an increase in their levothyroxine requirements.

    Patients receiving thyroid replacement therapy who undergo anesthesia with ketamine should be closely monitored for possible hypertension and tachycardia.

    Concurrent use of sympathomimetic agents or tricyclic antidepressants with thyroid hormones may result in enhanced effects of either medication. In patients with coronary artery disease receiving thyroid replacement therapy, administration of sympathomimetic agents increases the risk of coronary insufficiency.


    Laboratory Test Interactions: Various physiologic and pathologic conditions or certain drugs can interfere with thyroid function tests and their interpretation. Serum thyroxine-binding globulin (TBG) is increased in pregnancy, on estrogen therapy, or in patients using estrogen-containing oral contraceptives. Infectious hepatitis may also increase serum TBG concentration. Decreased TBG is found in patients on androgen or corticosteroid therapy and also in cases of nephrosis and acromegaly. Some drugs such as phenylbutazone and salicylates bind competitively to TBG or thyroxine-binding prealbumin. Familial hyper-or hypo-thyroxine-binding globulinemias have been reported.


    Adverse Reactions: Adverse reactions to levothyroxine are confined to hypersensitivity to or intolerance of an ingredient of the tablets, and toxicity due to overdosage of levothyroxine (see Overdose: Symptoms and Treatment).

    Symptoms And Treatment Of Overdose: Symptoms and Treatment: Overdosage with levothyroxine can be expected to produce the typical signs and symptoms of thyrotoxicosis. These may include weight loss, increased appetite, palpitations, nervousness, diarrhea, abdominal cramps, sweating, tachycardia, increased pulse and blood pressures, angina pectoris, cardiac dysrhythmias, tremors, headache, insomnia, heat intolerance, fever and dysmenorrhea.


    Severe overdosage is equivalent to thyroid storm and may be manifested by coma, cardiac decompensation, and possibly death secondary to cardiac dysrhythmia or failure. The effects of acute overdosage of levothyroxine may take several days to appear.

    The manifestations of levothyroxine overdosage should be managed by discontinuation of levothyroxine for 2 to 7 days followed by resumption of treatment with lower doses.

    The management of acute severe overdosage should consist principally of reducing absorption of the drug and counteracting central and peripheral effects, mainly those of increased sympathetic nervous activity. Initially, the stomach should be emptied immediately by inducing emesis or by gastric lavage. If the patient is comatose, having seizures, or lacks the gag reflex, gastric lavage may be performed if an endotracheal tube with cuff inflated is in place to prevent aspiration of vomitus. Oxygen may be administered and ventilation maintained. If congestive heart failure develops, cardiac glycosides may be administered. Measures to control fever, hypoglycemia, or fluid loss should be initiated as necessary. A b-adrenergic blocking agent may be useful to counteract many of the effects of increased sympathetic activity. Provided no contraindications for its use exist, propranolol may be administered i.v. in a dosage of 1 to 3 mg every 10 minutes, or orally in a dosage of 80 to 100 mg/day. However, propylthiouracil and other antithyroid agents are not effective in the treatment of thyrotoxicosis due to overdosage of exogenous levothyroxine.


    Dosage And Administration: Dosage of levothyroxine must be carefully adjusted according to individual requirements and response. The age and general physical condition of the patients and the severity and duration of hypothyroid symptoms determine the initial dosage and rate at which dosage may be increased to the eventual maintenance dosage (see Precautions). Adjustment of levothyroxine dosage should be based mainly on the patient's clinical response and confirmed by appropriate laboratory tests. Laboratory tests alone should not be relied upon to guide therapy.


    For purposes of conversion, levothyroxine sodium (T4) 100 µg is usually considered equivalent to desiccated thyroid 60 mg, thyroglobulin 60 mg, or liothyronine sodium (T3) 25 µg. However, these are rough guidelines only and do not obviate the careful re-evaluation of a patient when switching thyroid hormone preparations, including a change from one brand of levothyroxine to another (see Precautions).

    Information for the Patient: Patients on thyroid preparations and parents of children on thyroid therapy should be informed that replacement therapy is to be taken essentially for life, with the exception of cases of transient hypothyroidism, usually associated with thyroiditis, and in those patients receiving a therapeutic trial of the drug.


    Patients should immediately report to the physician experiences during the course of therapy of any signs or symptoms of thyroid hormone toxicity, e.g., chest pain, increased pulse rate, palpitations, excessive sweating, heat intolerance, nervousness, or any other unusual event.

    Patients with concurrent diabetes mellitus or who are on concurrent oral anticoagulant therapy should be warned of the need for close monitoring and possible dosage adjustments.

    Patients should be warned that partial loss of hair may be experienced by children in the first few months of thyroid therapy, but this is usually a transient phenomenon and later recovery is normally the rule.
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    could i just use the clen and not the eca , cheers

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    use clen 2 weeks...eca 2 weeks..repeat
    can get eca otc...

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    Can milk thistle be used instead of Taurine , and the side effects on clen r thay common , looking at the side effects its put me off

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