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06-09-2004, 11:28 PM #1
CHECKLIST-Before you even think about starting.
The first thing you should buy is clomid, nolvadex , proviron , and any other PCT drug you might need. If you cant get ahold of any PCT drugs then you have no business even starting a cycle.
After you have all your PCT drugs, then you need to buy your primary base for your cycle... in which case will be your choice of test. Newbies should start with more simple testosterones such as cypionate or enanthate . As you gain more experience, then you can move on to more complex testosterones such as sustanon , propionate , or suspension (just to name a few).
After you have your base test, then you may want to buy a secondary base such as equipoise or deca -durabolin . Those looking for more quality my want to look into primobolan or winstrol .
After you have the basics, then you can start buying accessories for your cycle such as d-bol, anadrol , anavar , fina, clenbuterol , exc...
Of course, while on cycle or off.... you want to make sure you are taking enough protien and vitamins (especially your B5 )
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06-09-2004, 11:31 PM #2
Besides acne,which I rarely get,why do I need to load up on b-5 all year round?
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06-09-2004, 11:41 PM #3Originally Posted by Da Bull
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06-09-2004, 11:45 PM #4
You may also need a sleep aid because on cycle I only sleep about 3 or 4 hours a night without pharmaceutical help.
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06-09-2004, 11:49 PM #5Originally Posted by EastCoaster
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06-10-2004, 03:26 AM #6
I've lightly dicked w/ dbols a few back... other than that my first REAL cycle is looking like this (rough):
Test cyp/eth
winny
pct
what about dbol as a kicker... is this a bad move for a beginner?
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06-10-2004, 04:02 AM #7
dbol as a kicker...is a good idea but not with winny aswell, both being 17AA means super stress on the liver:|
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06-10-2004, 06:01 AM #8Originally Posted by map200uk
I agree....1 oral(if any) per cycle is my rule
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06-10-2004, 06:17 AM #9Originally Posted by map200uk
It's all relative, 17 AA toxicity is one of the most exaggerated topics I’ve hear discused on online boards.
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06-10-2004, 07:47 AM #10Originally Posted by Corn Bread
Also everyone should be using supps to help detox and protect your liver
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06-10-2004, 08:02 AM #11
One more thing to add to this checklis is this...
Just because someone gave you some gear, doesn't mean you have to run it. Meaning, I read to many times that someone doesn't have enough gear, or has the wrong gear and tries to get an opinion on how to run it. It drives me crazy because all you get from a newbie is well, I only have 1 vial of TEST, so should I run 200mg? Or my friend gave me 25 dbol pills how should I take them because I can't get more?
RUN THE CYCLE CORRECTLY. If you don't have enough GEAR, FIND MORE!
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06-10-2004, 09:54 AM #12
well, sometimes PCT is blown out of proportion. i finished up my first cycle 2 months ago, and came out 28 lbs heavier, but then i lost 9. i knew i was gonna lose SOME, but when my pct got stolen i thought i was gonna lose most of it. all i did was increase my calories, take some tribulus, and right now im back on track.im gradually decreasing calories back down to maintenance and on my scales im still weighing in at 203.
my point is, if you stop lifting completely, throw yuir diet to crap, and get depressed and call it quits, ya you are gonna lose pretty much what you have earned through your cycle if you have no pct. on the other hand, if you KNOW how to deal with it, and you bust your ass with diet and training even after your cycle is over, you should be able to still keep most of what you got.
this doesnt mean im never gonna buy pct, cuzz on my next cycle i will. im just saying that if for some reason you cant get a hold of any or you lost posession of it like i did, theres still hope.
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06-10-2004, 09:56 AM #13Originally Posted by itsallmental
BLT
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06-10-2004, 10:08 AM #14Originally Posted by buylongterm
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06-10-2004, 10:09 AM #15Originally Posted by buylongterm
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06-10-2004, 10:09 AM #16
Another thing to add. I know all you experienced users know this but Milk thistle (liver protectants) are a must when using 17AA orals such as Dbol or winny.
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06-10-2004, 10:29 AM #17
i've had to come off without pct a few times in the past... it sucked but if your very dedicated you can pull it off imo. however, I BY NO MEANS AM NOT SAYING DON'T USE PCT!! i beleive clomid and hgh to be the best 2 things since sliced bread.
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06-10-2004, 10:37 AM #18Originally Posted by scotttiger54
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06-10-2004, 10:46 AM #19Originally Posted by ImmmtheIceman
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06-10-2004, 10:46 AM #20Originally Posted by scotttiger54
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06-10-2004, 10:47 AM #21Originally Posted by itsallmental
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