Goals of older guys using juice

**UrbanDawg** · 06-16-2004, 03:19 PM

When I was a lot younger (im 46 now) I wanted to get as freaky big as possible. As I get older my goals have changed and I am thinking about long term health.

I think the case can be well made that as you get older - over 40 - carrying an extreme amount of mass - even lean mass - takes a toll on your body.

When I am heavier - I need more sleep - have to eat more food - have to be more carefull about jumping down of of steps, and am more restricted in joint mobility - especially the shoulders.

In contrast - I once went extreme about 8 years ago and fasted for 35 days. Ate *NOTHING* but water - not even vits. BW went from 245 to 165 in 35 days flat. I had to flush my intestines to get all the garbage out and you would not like to have seen what was inside me. My liver completely detoxed, my skin and eyes became crystal clear and my gums were so perfect my dentist was amazed. My blood work after the fast showed perfect numbers (except HDL alittle low). My chrinic bronchits completely cleared up.

After the fast I had no fat on my body - had a Xmas tree in my lower back and looked like an underwear commercial. My pecs ( albiet much smaller) has deep division cuts between upper and lower. I looked skinny but surprisingly dd not look emaciated. I was however so weak I could not bench 135# and it took a *year* for me strength to return to 75%. For a bout 2 years after the fast I felt great in every way. I did not need naps in the afternooon. I did not fall asleep in meetings, I woke up alert instead of in peices. Health and energy wise I was the best in my entire life. By 4 or 5 years later I looked like the fat Santa Clause again as in in my before pics in the pics forum, and was sluggish and tired all the time.

This is why I started juicing for the first time this year at age 46. I used the juice to get my old intensity back - boost my metabolism and give me the drive to work hard and burn fat.

My point is that as we get older we cant carry the kind of mass we did in our
20s and 30s. An older lifter must look at juice as a way to retain the MINIMAL amount of mass for strength and joint stability, not a means to get big.

My next xycle (#3) wil use TEST/EQ/FINA and a 2K cal diet to rip me down from my curent muscular 235% at 15% BF to a lean 195# at 4-6%BF. Hopefully Ill still be able to bench 315 but if I can't - so what.

Anyway - this is just one old lifter's reasons for juicing for the first time in his 40s

**Lozgod** · 06-16-2004, 03:22 PM

I'm 30 and have bad elbows already.

**Pale Horse** · 06-16-2004, 03:28 PM

Dawg,

I'm 38 and agree with everything you posted. Plus all my old sports injuries are coming back to haunt me. My goal now is to stay lean, nicely sized not freaky. And feel physically like I haven't had my ass kicked every morning when I roll out of bed.

I just want to quit deteriorating, my natural test level was 190 so I really was deteriorating!

**Pale Horse** · 06-16-2004, 03:32 PM

Bump to the old farts!

**Da Bull** · 06-16-2004, 03:44 PM

I'm the same way..at 44,i'm not interested in mass that much anymore.I'm really looking to maintain,and keep a steady bf level of 10%.If I can roll into my 50's at 235-240,and 10 % bf,I'll be a happy camper.this goal is very realistic as of now,long as I deon't suffer any major injuries,I should achieve this goal.
Sadly enough,75% of the young guys juicing in this or any other forum will turn into santa claus in thier later days.I've seen it too many times in the past.Young guys are all gunho in thier 20's,then they become far to wrapped up in life,through career and family to continue the healthy road. Actually,most of the pics you see on here are before pics,if you know what I mean.I'd like to see thier after pics 10-15 years from now.So to you young bros reading this,enjoy your 15 minutes in the light...for most of you it won't last.

**Pale Horse** · 06-16-2004, 03:46 PM

Ahmen Bull!

**Pale Horse** · 06-16-2004, 03:48 PM

Dawg,

I forgot to mention just came of test prop/eq/fina cycle it leaned me out pretty good!

**Da Bull** · 06-16-2004, 03:58 PM

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***50%Natural*** · 06-16-2004, 04:07 PM

thanks for sharing that urban dawg, i kinda was curious as reasons for older dudes juicin....i turn 22 in a couple months so i'm gun ho right now, but hope to be just as dedicated mid life

**scotttiger54** · 06-16-2004, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by Da Bull

So to you young bros reading this,enjoy your 15 minutes in the light...for most of you it won't last.

i'll be sure to do that

**Hazard** · 06-16-2004, 04:11 PM

in response to da bull's post.....

I can't speak for all the younger guys on this board - but only for myself. Lifting weights is a priority in my life. Everyday i wake up - goto work...... and when ig et home i go straight down to the absement and do my work out... AND THEN i go out with friends. Nomatter who is in my life as i get olde - whether it be friends - a gf - a wife - a son/daughter..... Lifting is going to be a priority. After leaving HS and not having sports to play..... Lifting weights has filled a big void in my life. it's ALWAYS going to be a part of me. Juice or no juice..... i'll always workout and train hard.

As for you bro (da bull) - i commend your hard work..... It's not easy dealing with day to day sh*t and comming home and throwing the weights around (not that i would know personally..... but i ahfta listen to my father everyday) Not only are you 44 (no harm intended) your built nicely and still have that "Drive" to keep working hard. It's people like you and my father and everyone else who fit and older than me that i look up to..... thats what im striving to be like.

To all the younger guys: It's only up to YOU to determine what your going to look like when your older. If your juicing for the beach and the b*tches and don't plan on lifting past your younger years..... then you shouldn't be juicing. It wouldn't be worth it in my opinion. Anyways - Keep throwing around those weights - and NEVER let ANYONE tell you that you can't do something..... just apply yourself and it'll happen!

~Haz~

*edit* sorry for typing (as da bull says) "Like a retart" - i type fast to deal with my mistakes

[QUOTE] i type fast to deal with my mistakes [QUOTE] - i meant "so"...... heh..

**UrbanDawg** · 06-16-2004, 04:46 PM

Originally Posted by 1victor

Dawg,

I forgot to mention just came of test prop/eq/fina cycle it leaned me out pretty good!

Fina is defintely my next obsession

**sp9** · 06-16-2004, 04:55 PM

Great post. I am only 33 but I am very concious about how much easier it is to injure myself and take precautions all the time. I also know exactly where I have acumulated some damage, my shoulders. I am very careful with that area. I have been very skinny my whole life. Was about 6'3" out of highschool, Wore 33" waist jeans, and only around 145lbs. Has been a life long struggle to put on weight. Now 6'4" 223lbs and 34" waist jeans. My goal is to hit a stable 230lbs (getting close) at 9-10% bf and keep lifting weights into my 60's. When I was in my late teens and early 20's the goal wasn't so much to get as big as possible, more like just trying to look normal. Didn't try any of these helpful substances until I was 32 and found a guy in front of me at the University looking at AR. Joined shortly after he and I had a discussin on weight lifting and supplements during class breaks.

**UrbanDawg** · 06-16-2004, 04:58 PM

good point - one other reason I waited till now to juice.

there was no AR in the 70s and I would have fried my liver like al the other idioits around me who were eating dbol like candy and no clus about liver protection or PCT.

We are very lucky to have A.R.

Originally Posted by scottp999

Great post. I am only 33 but I am very concious about how much easier it is to injure myself and take precautions all the time. I also know exactly where I have acumulated some damage, my shoulders. I am very careful with that area. I have been very skinny my whole life. Was about 6'3" out of highschool, Wore 33" waist jeans, and only around 145lbs. Has been a life long struggle to put on weight. Now 6'4" 223lbs and 34" waist jeans. My goal is to hit a stable 230lbs (getting close) at 9-10% bf and keep lifting weights into my 60's. When I was in my late teens and early 20's the goal wasn't so much to get as big as possible, more like just trying to look normal. Didn't try any of these helpful substances until I was 32 and found a guy in front of me at the University looking at AR. Joined shortly after he and I had a discussin on weight lifting and supplements during class breaks.

**sp9** · 06-16-2004, 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by Da Bull

Sadly enough,75% of the young guys juicing in this or any other forum will turn into santa claus in thier later days.I've seen it too many times in the past.Young guys are all gunho in thier 20's,then they become far to wrapped up in life,through career and family to continue the healthy road. Actually,most of the pics you see on here are before pics,if you know what I mean.I'd like to see thier after pics 10-15 years from now.So to you young bros reading this,enjoy your 15 minutes in the light...for most of you it won't last.

Agreed. People get caught up in life and the first thing to go is the training. Seen many an in shape friend let himself go. Love stories about people like Clint Eastwood who trained hard for so many years.

Clint Eastwood relies on a rigorous exercise routine to fuel his performance as actor, director, composer, politician . . . and club owner

http://cms.ihrsa.org/IHRSA/viewPage.cfm?pageId=1168

**Smeltfisher** · 06-16-2004, 05:16 PM

Yeh over the years I kinda slacked off... and then got hooked again...

Man I did the supps and prohormones but it was not until I started this cycle did I really see results....

My goals... Want to stay big (250lbs) and I'm happy that I'm stronger and BETTER looking than half the guys in my gym... And i'm twice their age...

Also I've introduced my 15 year old son to weightlifting and I'm having so much enjoyment seeing his results...I'll let him discover AAS on his own....

over 40 and loving it...

Smeltfisher

**Dude-Man** · 06-16-2004, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by Da Bull

Sadly enough,75% of the young guys juicing in this or any other forum will turn into santa claus in thier later days.I've seen it too many times in the past.Young guys are all gunho in thier 20's,then they become far to wrapped up in life,through career and family to continue the healthy road. Actually,most of the pics you see on here are before pics,if you know what I mean.I'd like to see thier after pics 10-15 years from now.So to you young bros reading this,enjoy your 15 minutes in the light...for most of you it won't last.

If you're still alive and around in 15 years, i'd love to show you that i don't apply to the above.

**sepjuice** · 06-16-2004, 05:23 PM

the thing im looking forward to when i get up there in age is HRT. still "consider" myself a young buck

**Da Bull** · 06-16-2004, 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by chrisAdams

If you're still alive and around in 15 years, i'd love to show you that i don't apply to the above.

You're part of the 25 % that won't be dressing up like Santa...LOL..

**Smeltfisher** · 06-16-2004, 05:30 PM

Da Bull

Bro are you saying that most of us drift away form the gym and then come back?

Hey dude I would agree with that statement as thats mostly what I observe..

Might have something to do with a mid-life crisis, convertable, or Harley, oh and that young 20 year old blonde hanging off a fellas arm....I wish...pass the viagra....hehehehe

Smeltfisher

**Da Bull** · 06-16-2004, 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by Smeltfisher

Da Bull

Bro are you saying that most of us drift away form the gym and then come back?

Hey dude I would agree with that statement as thats mostly what I observe..

Might have something to do with a mid-life crisis, convertable, or Harley, oh and that young 20 year old blonde hanging off a fellas arm....I wish...pass the viagra....hehehehe

Smeltfisher

Sadly enough most drift away to never return.It's the guys who get divorced after thier kids are off to college,are the ones to return.

**barbarian** · 06-16-2004, 05:49 PM

i have a full gym at home..i cant make an excuse not to train..like really...walk 10 feet and you can lift...

**Da Bull** · 06-16-2004, 05:52 PM

Originally Posted by barbarian

i have a full gym at home..i cant make an excuse not to train..like really...walk 10 feet and you can lift...

So are you going to live with mommy and daddy forever?

**dirtybrit55** · 06-16-2004, 05:52 PM

Originally Posted by barbarian

i have a full gym at home..i cant make an excuse not to train..like really...walk 10 feet and you can lift...

Wish I could afford that

**barbarian** · 06-16-2004, 05:53 PM

Originally Posted by Da Bull

So are you going to live with mommy and daddy forever?

im stuck bro..dad just spent ooodles on a trucking company and im co owner..and mechanic..so no im not leaving unless i get married..even then my gym comes to......im in this till i take my last breath bro

**UrbanDawg** · 06-16-2004, 07:24 PM

Originally Posted by barbarian

im stuck bro..dad just spent ooodles on a trucking company and im co owner..and mechanic..so no im not leaving unless i get married..even then my gym comes to......im in this till i take my last breath bro

I live alone with 2 killer guard dogs and a whole 2nd floor full of weight equip.

Wouldnt have it any other way

Keep up the good work bro