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    fina and winstrol cycle

    Hey Bros, this is my first post on this forum, and I was hoping to get some opnions from you. I am 24, 6'2'' and 185 pounds, I have been lifting for 4 years now, and I am getting ready to start my first cycle. I was planning on 75mg Fina ED and 50mg winstrol ED for 8 weeks. My question is regarding dosage. Is this going to be to high? should I cut the winstrol to EOD? I am looking to put on about 10 to 15 opounds of lean mass.

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    You are WAAAAAAAY off, man...

    You have a lot more research to do. But let me tell you first that the cycle you proposed is just terrible. There's no other way to put it.

    Secondly, a first cycle IMO should usually be either test only, primo only, or anavar only. Most people on here would tell you test only, but there's a lot of different factors that can play in the decision upon a first cycle.

    Get some reading and research done. You are nowhere near ready. Good luck.

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    No flame here but that is a horrible idea. First off fina should not be used in a first cycle and second, if your going to use fina you need to run test along with it. Read up man

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    Thanks guys, I appreciate your input. However I have done a lot of research, and I don't want to run test. My goals are more strength orianted than size. I have seen a number of people on this board running a fina only cycle with good results. Could I cut out the winstol totally and be fine?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gills
    Thanks guys, I appreciate your input. However I have done a lot of research, and I don't want to run test. My goals are more strength orianted than size. I have seen a number of people on this board running a fina only cycle with good results. Could I cut out the winstol totally and be fine?
    yes you could but read up on fina only cycles. There are a lot of problems that can occur if you dont run test. Fina shuts you down pretty good

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    no way not on this board
    fina shuts you down big time its very unwise to run a fina only cycle anyone on this board will tell you that you need to run test try test prop as it increases strenght big time
    i would go with a test prop, equipoise , and var cycle i dont think you will gain 15 pounds but your strenght will be up big

    you did not do enuff research no matter what say

    your digging your own grave on fina only especially your 1st cycle

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    read these two links before you do anything :

    Fina Ques

    Fina alone?


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    Ahh, this is the reason I posted on the board. Thanks guys. I aready have the finas, so i am going to run it, however, I will mix test with it. Can any body give me a good dosing idea?

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    fina 75mg ed if your using test prop 75mg ed also

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    Fina 75 mg ED or 150 EOD depending on what kind of test you use.ED you will see less sides because of the blood lvls being stable.

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    Hmm I was thinking of running the same thing... I'll take some muscle, but mostly just wanna harden up and rip up.

    I found this on another site.

    While Finaject itself is no longer available, in some cases injectable preparations from Finaplix have been made. The substance is the same: trenbolone acetate.

    Trenbolone is a steroid having the advantages of undergoing no adverse metabolism, not being affected by aromatase or 5alpha-reductase; of being very potent Class I steroid binding well to the androgen receptor; and having a short half life, probably no more than a day or two though I don't believe this has been measured. Fifty milligrams per day is a good dosing for someone on his first cycle or someone who is as yet less than, say, 20 pounds over his natural limit; while 100 mg/day may be preferred by the more advanced user who has already gained more than this. These doses are assuming that trenbolone is the only Class I steroid being use. There really is no need to stack another -- testosterone being the only sensible exception -- but if another is stacked then the amount of trenbolone may be reduced accordingly.

    There is no evidence in the literature, nor I think practical evidence, that trenbolone acetate has a "special role" in burning fat. Rather, it is an extraordinarily potent AAS, being about three times as effective per milligram as testosterone esters. This seems to apply only to Class I activity, however. To obtain good anabolism from non-AR-mediated mechanisms, a Class II steroid such as Dianabol or Anadrol should be stacked.

    There used to be a myth that trenbolone was "hard on the kidneys." I have found no indication in the scientific literature of particular kidney toxicity with trenbolone. I know a number of users, at doses of 50-100 mg/day, who have experienced no problems. It seems to me that the claims that have been made were from athletes stacking an incredible amount of drugs, and how the blame could have fairly been laid at trenbolone (actually at Parabolan , not trenbolone acetate) is not clear.

    It is also not clear that trenbolone results in any greater degree of increased aggression for a given amount of anabolic effect than testosterone itself does, despite another myth to that effect. The increase in aggressive tendency -- which does not mean the act of aggression -- is moderate and entirely controllable, if noticeable at all.



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    Trenbolone is a steroid having the advantages of undergoing no adverse metabolism, not being affected by aromatase or 5alpha-reductase; of being very potent Class I steroid binding well to the androgen receptor; and having a short half life, probably no more than a day or two. Fifty milligrams per day is a good dosing for someone on his first cycle or someone who is as yet less than, say, 20 pounds over his natural limit; while 100 mg/day may be preferred by the more advanced user who has already gained more than this. These doses are assuming that trenbolone is the only Class I steroid being use. There really is no need to stack another -- testosterone being the only sensible exception -- but if another is stacked then the amount of trenbolone may be reduced accordingly.

    Since Finaject is the acetate form of trenbolone, its effect lasts only a short time and frequent administration is necessary. Most athletes inject I ml (30 mg) every second day. Higher dosages such as, for example, 30 mg/day or 60 mg every two days, however, were not unusual since an enormous strength gain and also a strong but still high-quality muscle gain was obtained.

    Finaject does not aromatize since its substance is not changed into estrogens. In combination with Winstrol it has a dramatic effect on the body's appearance. To achieve a gigantic strength gain bodybuilders used to combine 30 mg Finaject every 1-2 days and 50 mg Winstrol Depot every 1-2 days (also known as Strombaject) during preparation for a competition and the buildup phase. No other combination gives the athlete such an incredible hardness and such a defined muscle gain. The possible physical change obtainable in only a few weeks is enormous enough to shock some non-involved observers. Believe us, competing bodybuilders love this combination especially.

    Finaject was also part of probably the most effective stack for mass buildup. Together with Dianabol or Anadrol 50, and testosterone, "Fina" builds up strength and mass in record time. Another way of administration which is far less dangerous, can be prepared as follows: the ground pellets are mixed with a mixture of 50% water and 50% DMSO (dimethyl sulfoxide). Then the mixture is put on the skin and allowed to soak in. Dimethyl sulfoxide is used to transport the substance trenbolone through the skin. Using this method approximately 40 mg of the substance can get into the blood without much harm.



    Im gonna run the tren with winny and clen for 6 weeks. at 50mg of each ed. with clomid for pct.

    why does every say that fina is sooo bad and shuts you down so hard? what proof is there that fina is harder or worse than test in shutting you down?

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    there is a post somewhere on this board or musclesci on fina by a moderator which says it's ok for a first cycle...the sides are more than just test so that's why people are recommending you wait.

    I've just started 4th cycle: 50mg winny ed, 75mg fina ed, 700mg test enanthate ew.

    It shuts you down because it is not a natural testosterone and ****s up your HPTA access (do a search if you want the details). Just like deca which is well known to make getting it up a problem. Combine with prop ed (seems to be what most recommend) or put the test in. Or go join a monastery.

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    winny tren for 8 with the right diet will rip you like no other, just run proviron or have viagra handy if you wanna stay hard

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    So I should run it for 8 weeks? and does that mean that I'll get limp dick during the cycle or just after the cycle where I would be taking clomid PCT?

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    I wouldnt recommend taking fina as a first or even second cycle. I did fina and sust as a 3rd cycle and had horrible back pumps. Also there isnt one person on this board that will tell someone to do a fina only cycle especially for a first cycle

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    how should i run a winny and fina only cycle? I want to cut up and not gain any weight if that is possible. maybe even lose weight. im 6'2" 232. Thanks

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    Bro listen to the other guys...You NEED test with fina/winny.
    I ran fina/winny once cuz my test wasn't in yet and I had some major problems, not only with sex but I felt like **** everyday...real tired etc.
    I also agree w/ the rest of the guys that fina isn't good for a first timer. Too many injects and the sides can be bad.

    Go with Test e/eq:
    Week 1-12 Test e 500mgs
    Week 1-11 Eq 400mgs
    ldex .5 cc ed throughout
    nolva on hand
    Clomid 2 weeks after last shot of test.

    That's your best bet....
    Diets the key to cutting up..

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    Bro listen to the other guys...You NEED test with fina/winny.
    I ran fina/winny once cuz my test wasn't in yet and I had some major problems, not only with sex but I felt like **** everyday...real tired etc.
    I also agree w/ the rest of the guys that fina isn't good for a first timer. Too many injects and the sides can be bad.

    Go with Test e/eq:
    Week 1-12 Test e 500mgs
    Week 1-11 Eq 400mgs
    ldex .5 cc ed throughout
    nolva on hand
    Clomid 2 weeks after last shot of test.

    That's your best bet....
    Diets the key to cutting up..

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    Bro listen to the other guys...You NEED test with fina/winny.
    I ran fina/winny once cuz my test wasn't in yet and I had some major problems, not only with sex but I felt like **** everyday...real tired etc.
    I also agree w/ the rest of the guys that fina isn't good for a first timer. Too many injects and the sides can be bad.

    Go with Test e/eq:
    Week 1-12 Test e 500mgs
    Week 1-11 Eq 400mgs
    ldex .5 cc ed throughout
    nolva on hand
    Clomid 2 weeks after last shot of test.

    That's your best bet....
    Diets the key to cutting up..

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    Ok i talked to this guy who is going to be writitng up my diet. He is the best around here by far. He told me to cut up along with his diet my best bet is to run. This will also be like my 6th cycle.
    winny 50mg 1cc eod
    fina twice a week at 75mg
    dbol 10mgs a day
    supertest 250 1/2 cc a week
    any comments on this. Thankx Bro's

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