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06-19-2004, 03:28 PM #1
pyramiding test???
just curious..
i was thinking about this the other night and had to ask...
what if u started a low dose of test and peeked the dosage in the very middle of your cycle..then pryramidded back down to a very low dose just like u started....
would this gradual increase and decrease be good for the body.. would it even require PCT???
OR would it just really mess up your hormone levels??
just curious ..im not thinking about this so please dont flame haha
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06-19-2004, 03:40 PM #2Originally Posted by frank_frank
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06-19-2004, 03:41 PM #3Originally Posted by frank_frank
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06-19-2004, 03:41 PM #4Originally Posted by frank_frank
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06-19-2004, 03:43 PM #5
F*ckin' computer!
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06-19-2004, 03:45 PM #6Originally Posted by ECoastVIP
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ya i was just wondering i dont know what made me think of it
any others?
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06-19-2004, 03:48 PM #7
He pretty much summed it up.
http://www.bigdogbodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=412
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06-19-2004, 03:53 PM #8Member
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I'm pyramiding at the moment. I don't know enough about esters to have it clear in my mind, but by the sounds of it you've been thinking the same thoughts as me, that the gradual decrease of synthetic test in the blood from pyramiding might allow for a better recovery of natural testosterone levels . When I was doing juice 5 or so years ago it was standard practice, no-one ever told me any different anyhow. I don't know of any "official" write ups on the subject, maybe someone can help with that. (I'm still doing PCT by the way)
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06-19-2004, 03:54 PM #9
The old school thinking of tapering is that you could restore your test levels if you slowly came off and down. In many studies this theory has been proven wrong. Tapering is not necessary and theoretically incorrect. No matter what tapering method you may think works, you still go through a complete test depletion and over flow of estrogen to compensate. The only way to stop the estrogen flush is with a serm or AI and clomid therapy for HPTA restoration. That or you can do a tapering method and go through the crash and suffer potential gyno symptoms.
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06-19-2004, 04:14 PM #10
Tapering is detrimental, if anything.....it wastes valuable days/weeks where you could be at peak plasma levels. tapering is a waste for the very same reason that you don't start pct the day after your last test E shot; you still have test in your body. The ester of the gear takes care of the gradual decrease in plasma levels. There really isn't any debate about it.....tapering is a waste.
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06-19-2004, 04:17 PM #11Originally Posted by einstein1905
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06-19-2004, 04:30 PM #12Originally Posted by Bouncer272001
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06-19-2004, 04:33 PM #13Originally Posted by ECoastVIP
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06-20-2004, 03:02 AM #14Member
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See thread "Buying syringes"
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06-21-2004, 11:32 AM #15Member
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Einstein, read thread on link, but although numbers are quoted there is no explanation of the reason for these numbers. Why would the plasma level be higher a week after a half dose injection than it is for the full dose injection? (plasma levels for week 8 in option B are higher than those in week 9 of option A even though half the dose of option A was adminstered in option B) I admit I don't know anything about biological and bio-chemical issues, but want to learn so I find the lack of explanation puzzling. I cannot accept the stating of numbers as fact without an understanding of the processes that explain them.
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06-21-2004, 12:12 PM #16Originally Posted by Bouncer272001
"All of the following are arbitrary numbers and aren't meant to depict actual pharmacokinetics, with the exception of diminishing plasma concentrations due to half-lives.
Assume you are going to run an 8 week cycle, and that you you are injecting 500mg/wk of a compound with a 1 week half-life. For arguments sake, let's say you've established a constant plasma level of 1000ng/dL (arbitrary).
Situation A) You continue to inject 500mg/wk all the way through week 8 and then stop cold turkey
Situation B) You inject 500mg/wk weeks 1-6, week 7 you inject 250mg, and week 8 you inject 125mg.
Your plasma concentrations for each situation will be as follows:
A: wk 9= 500ng/dL, week 10= 250ng/dL, week 11= 125ng/dL, week 12= 62.5ng/dL
B: wk7= 750ng/dL, wk 8= 500ng/dL, week 9= 250ng/dL, wk 10= 125ng/dL, wk 11= 62.5ng/dL
So, you'll see that tapering doesn't do anything advantageous for us. The half-life of the compound takes care of the tapering for you. All tapering does is shorten the period of your cycle where you have a consistent peak plasma level, which reduces the time during which you'll see maximal gains."
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06-21-2004, 12:24 PM #17
What do you guys think about pyrimiding High dosages??? I remember when pyrimiding was the thing to do and at that time My doses where not that high. But now when Ive done these last couple cycles I have noticed that using todays ways I seem to be throwing my body into shock. Using prop and orals to get my cycle going immediatly. From reading the steroid bible and Bill phillips anabolic reveiw, those books incouraged pyrimiding saying that your body gets dependent on the hormones for different functions like the immune system. I have noticed alot of people saying that they get flu like symptoms when starting a cycle, they probally would not experiance this if they pyrimiding.
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06-21-2004, 03:26 PM #18Member
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Cheers einstein, but what I was referring to was the fact that in week 7 in option B it says that plasma levels are at 750ng, whilst option A never gets higher than 500ng. How do they reach this level only in option B?
And I too am interested in the point that anhydro has made and the answer to the question that he has posed.
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06-21-2004, 04:33 PM #19Originally Posted by Bouncer272001
In regards to the 2nd part, pyramiding even high doses still accomplishes the same thing on the back end. You could argue that pyrimiding UP at the begining may have merit, but that really hasn't shown to be worthwhile, as many even frontload at 2x doses at the start of cycles with no adverse effects. pyramiding is pyramiding, and the rate at which the AAS leave your body is the same, assuming the same esters are used.
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