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    I'm new...PLEASE help me out

    How's it hanging bros,
    i'm new to all of this, but have been frequenting the sight for a while now. i haven't done a cycle yet, but am planning one very soon. here's my dilema: i have 10/1cc vials of Sust 250 (Oragnon - Nile Company). i'm trying to get a hold of some Deca as well (not to stack necessarily, just rather do Deca). if someone could tell me exactly what i need for my first cycle (anti-e's, clomid, clen , etc.) and when to take them, i would really appreciate it. i am 6'0, 195 lbs, about 10-15% bodyfat, been working out on and off for past 3 years, consistently since past 7 months. i'm looking to gain lean muscle and shed fat. i have done alot of research on this board and have found it extremely helpful, but still not sure exactly how to do it right. i am not looking to stack multilpe roids, just want to test my body's reaction on one cycle before any future cycles.

    is sust 250 a good cycle for a newbie??????

    would i really even need any extra drugs like nolvadex on one single cycle??

    i thank you all for your time and consideration.

    peace

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    try this

    week 1 - 4 dbol - 30mg a day
    week 1 - 8 Deca - 400mg
    week 1 - 8 Sust250 - 500 mg

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    ask a mod

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    yea you need nolva and clomid no matter what if you're running sus. Some would argue that you wouldn't need nolva if you were just taking deca , but before taking deca, I refer you to Mike's post called "progesterone....." It's pretty recent. You might wanna try sus @ 500mgs/wk and deca @400mgs/wk for 10 wks. That would be a solid cycle. Of course, you will need to purchase more gear. You could take clen post cycle to cut you up, with the right amount of cardio and a good diet. Before starting any cycle though, I would make sure your diet is really good, and get more time of consistent weight training under your belt. JMO...

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    thanx bro's,
    i really appreciate all the input. the main thing i'm confused about is when it comes to the "clomid--proviron ---nolva therapy". when should EACH of these be taken: during cycle, on it, or after it or both. also how much each day and what weeks? Thanx again bro's. i really want to do this right.

    peace

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    clomid - post cycle (try searching for "how do you take your clomid). There are a few different opinions on it
    nolva- if your nipples start to get itchy or you start to see any other signs of gyno while on cycle (search on nolva-lots of info on dosages and whatnot)
    I've never used proviron , so can't help you on that

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    start clomid 2.5 weeks after last injection of sust/deca

    keep anti-e on hand incase your nips hurt.

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