Thread: Anavar for joints???
06-29-2004, 06:39 PM #1
Anavar for joints???
I am finishing up my cycle with Prop and anavar (30mgED). I was wondering if it will serve the joints as EQ has for me by eliminated the pain that I once had? I did a search but was unsucessful finding this info. Thanks...
06-29-2004, 06:56 PM #2
Come on bros, SV-1, Einstein, Da Bull and 50 others have the knowledge to answer this...help.
06-29-2004, 07:56 PM #3Swellin Guest
Here is an article I read a while back about the affect on collagen uptake of several steroids . Presumably, this would mean that the steroids mentioned would aid your joints. However, many users of EQ and GH report pain in the joints.
I can say that var did help mine a little.
I cannot verify the source; however, it makes very good food for thought....or it can help you talk yourself into adding anouther compound to that next cycle....for safety's sake.
While injecting test increases protein synthesis by roughly 50 times, depending on dose and time, most bodybuilders forget that it will reduce collagen synthesis by more than 50% -- more like 80%, giving you the collagen synthesis rate of a senior citizen. Since collagen makes up tendons, bros are very prone to injury if they continue to lift very heavy, unless they cycle off T and let their collagen synthesis get back to normal. It's like having the skeletal muscle of a gorilla with the tendons of a very old man.
Winstrol increases collagen synthesis. It will give you bigger tendons. However, your body compensates for this by making them more brittle, weaker, and more prone to injury. I can't tell you how many bros work out anaerobically and become injured while on winstrol. Guys who lift in the 1-5 rep range while on winstrol, to baseball players who sprint all out from a stationary position -- winstrol should be the LAST drug they choose. Most of them like winstrol because they don't get the weight gain from it but it is very detrimental to bros who train for any sport anaerobically. Tendons tear easily on it.
Also, the drugs I mention increase collagen synthesis while also increasing collagen cross-linking integrity, making for a much stronger tendon.
Winstrol, on the other hand, will dramatically increase collagen syn, but ironically it decreases collagen cross-linking integrity, thus making a much weaker tendon.
You can plan a cycle of AAS which will increase collagen synthesis and skeletal muscle growth at the same time. The key is the drug(s) you choose.
Deca , Equipoise , Anavar , and Primobolan will ALL increase skeletal muscle while at the same time dramatically increase collagen syn and bone mass and density, leaving you with a substantially reduced chance of becoming injured than if you choose to use AAS like sus, cyp, or enth.
While testosterone will increase bone mass and density, even at supra-physiological levels, the result is weaker tendons due to inhibition of collagen syn.
To plan a cycle where the goal is to increase skeletal muscle mass/strength while at the same time increase joint/tendon/ligament strength, enough to keep up with the dramatic increase in skeletal muscle, you must choose drugs like Eq, Deca, Anavar, or Primo as the base of your cycle. Testosterone and its esters can be added to your cycle to keep levels within a 'normal' physiological range (ie, 100-200 mg/wk) but must not go above this. Since drugs like eq, deca, anavar and primo will reduce endogenous, natural levels of test, these levels may be maintained with exogenous test in the 100-200 mg/wk range. Test at this dose will not inhibit collagen syn, but paradoxically, will help increase it. It is when exogenous testosterone is used > 200 mg/wk that collagen syn is inhibited.
Deca @ 3 mg/kg a week(about 270 mg/wk for a 200 lb male) will increase procollagen III levels by 270% by week 2. Procollagen III is a primary indicator used to determine the rate of collagen syn. As you can see, deca is a very good drug at giving you everything you want -- an increase in collagen syn, an increase in skeletal muscle, and increases in bone mass and density. The one thing it does not give you is wood
Primobolan, @ 5 mg/kg, will increase collagen synthesis by roughly 180% -- less than deca and equipoise but still substantial.
Equipoise @ 3 mg/kg will increase procollagen III by approximately 340% -- slightly better than deca.
Oxandrolone has over a hundred studies documenting its effectiveness at treating patients needing rapid increases in collagen syn to enhance healing.
These drugs have longer half-lives than most other AAS, so this should be considered when timing your post cycle clomid use. Here they are:
Deca: 15 days Equipoise: 14 days Primobolan: 10.5 days
Anavar has a half-life of only 8 hours so it should not pose a problem.
GH is probably the most remarkable drug at increasing collagen synthesis. It increases collagen syn in a dose dependant manner -- the more you use, the more you will increase collagen syn. It has also demonstrated this ability in short and long term studies. From what I've read, hGH at 6 iu/day increased the collagen deposition rate by around 250% in damaged collagen structures. This result indicates that the increased biomechanical strength of wounds to collagen structures treated with biosynthetic human growth hormone was produced by an increased deposition of collagen in the collagen structures.
Eq, primo, anavar, and deca are all good -- they increase several biomakers of collagen syn -- ie, type III, II, I, procollagen markers. GH just seems to do so most dramatically.
Use of any of these drugs @ supra-physiological levels with a maintenance dose of test will increase collagen syn while at the same time increase skeletal muscle mass. Skeletal muscle mass gains will not be as dramatic as with large testosterone doses but you have to weigh the risk/reward basis for yourself. Also, these drugs do not satisfy the libido like testosterone, but that is not the point of this thread. It is only to demonstrate that you can increase skeletal muscle and collagen syn at the same time with certain AAS, the decision is up to you.
06-29-2004, 08:11 PM #4
Thanks bro, good info.
06-29-2004, 08:28 PM #5Originally Posted by mark956101957
06-29-2004, 08:33 PM #6Originally Posted by Da Bull
I agree. I'd love to believe what it says, but there are no references to any of the original information. That's the only thing that keeps me from copying the post onto disk for later reference.
06-29-2004, 10:06 PM #7Swellin Guest
I touched on that, but failed to make the point. The contents of this post are highly debatable. The article fails to mention many key factors in increasing joint health and how effective these steroids were at influencing these factors. What it boils down to, is you have to try it yourself. Some people swear that it works, and others swear the opposite is true.
I know that while on var, my joints felt a little better. You have to try it yourself and see how you respond.
06-30-2004, 09:28 AM #8
It does a body good.
PS - I have heard great thing pertaining to joint pain about oxandrolone, but I've heard a couple bad things as well, I admit. But with any steroid that gives great strength increases, people are bound to "over-do" it when it comes to training sometimes, and upping the poundage significantly on lifts can play havoc on the joints. Just a few thoughts.
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