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**Mr.En4cer** · 02-17-2002, 11:39 PM

What a good roid to start out on.. that will build muscle mass and decrease fat..???any ideas

**viper** · 02-17-2002, 11:42 PM

the two favorite basic cycles for beginners are:

test / deca / dbol - for bulking
test / deca / winny - for cutting
** eq can be exchanged for deca **

**Tankass** · 02-17-2002, 11:43 PM

Here is a great beginner cycle

Week 1 - 4 DBol - 30mg Every Day
Week 1 - 8 Deca - 400mg
Week 1 - 8 Sust - 500mg

**Terinox** · 02-18-2002, 12:51 AM

I would agree with "gsims" but I would increase it to 10 weeks of the deca /sus and of course the clomid

**Terinox** · 02-18-2002, 12:53 AM

Why would someone going on a first cycle need test??? Like enanthate , that's too "advanced" for beginners. Guys like us just need deca /sus/winny/dbol /anavar the results will be quite good at just that (not all those at the same time)

**MindBomb** · 02-18-2002, 01:42 PM

What's your stats (BF level determins what you need if at all)???What's your goal (Bulk/Cut)???Because seems, from your question, you need more than AAS help...

**landshark** · 02-18-2002, 03:56 PM

Originally posted by Terinox
[B]Why would someone going on a first cycle need test??? Like enanthate, that's too "advanced" for beginners. Guys like us just need ..../sus/...[B]

???

???

HUH?

**The Emperor** · 02-18-2002, 04:56 PM

Originally posted by Terinox
Why would someone going on a first cycle need test??? Like enanthate , that's too "advanced" for beginners. Guys like us just need deca /sus/winny/dbol /anavar the results will be quite good at just that (not all those at the same time)

Ummmm.... you know that sust is test right?

**Methuselah** · 02-18-2002, 07:08 PM

I can speak fro experience that on the first cycle, a little goes a long way. Test is probably the best for a beginner. Test/Deca is better yet.

just my $.02