Not enough calories is a problem.....EASY WAYS TO FIX THAT

**DADDYDBOL** · 07-02-2004, 08:02 PM

Originally Posted by bermich

I usually mix in a burrito or a cheeseburger with my shakes. Extra 600 calories.

an ultimate cheeseburger is 1000 calories...so i eat 2 at a time....

haha....yes that is for bulking but i have a hard time keeping weight on....i'm right around 220 and 6'1" and haven't been "on" for 6 months....i eat my ass off ed....and I use thurs and sun as cheat days but to be honest i have a cheat meal ed....usually lunch when we go eat out....breakfast and the meal right after work and my dinner are usually just chicken or beef with potatoes or rice and some veggies....then I have 2 cytogainers at 10am and around 4pm...in whole milk!!!

oh and for whoever asked about Champion Nutrition HWG 900....its ok...alot of sugar...like 66 grams and if I'm having that much I want mint choclate ice cream (

).....cytogainers the sh!t...

wow...yall must be some fatasses....

**BWhitaker** · 07-02-2004, 08:02 PM

Originally Posted by bermich

How many calories does a tbspn of flax oil provide?

about 130 if memory serves me right

**DADDYDBOL** · 07-02-2004, 08:03 PM

i meant to say that cytogainers are the sh!t.....

**bor** · 07-03-2004, 03:13 AM

Olive oil is also really good for ya! Shake - choc protein, banana, 1 tbl spoon peanut butter, cottage cheese! Put lots of milk in coz its too thick if you don't.If its PWO I like to add a tablespoon of honey, although its a little too sweet for me then!

Very informative thread, by the way!

**GymDog** · 07-03-2004, 03:27 AM

Originally Posted by LeanMeOut

I agree with Dalcowbag...... that shake is not clean at all. Even if he used skim milk I still wouldn't go for it. Milk is all processed sugar, and add the fat from the 2% milk and you got a nice mixture of fats & carbs with a bunch of sugar. Not what I call clean at all. If you must use milk in this shake, atleast use fat free Carb Countdown milk that has 12g of protein and only 3g of carbs from splenda.

<<LMO>>

I think you guys don't give milk enough credit. Not only do I drink over 1 gallon of 2% milk a day, but I drink half a gallon of it while on my insulin spike, and not only have I increased muscle mass, I've also leaned up considerably!! Maybe I'm a genetic freak, but all I'm saying is milk works just wonderfully for me!!

P.S. Although it's a study & not a time-tested, proven fact, here's some interesting info on milk and it's fat-burning/muscle preserving properties...

http://www.ensureyoursuccess.net/calciumweightloss.html

**k_dogg** · 07-03-2004, 05:26 AM

i just started making them yesterday. it seams i have to wack it back on the blender about 3 times to stir up all the oats that settle in the bottom. its rather thick and when im getting full its hard to stomach. and im only using 1cup of oats and full cream milk. i do it like this

2 cups full cream milk
2 scoops whey protien
3 egg whites
1cup whole oats
drop of honey

its not too bad. i reckon about 800cal 50-60grams protien.
nice quick meal. cheers for the idea

**nickrizz** · 07-03-2004, 09:39 AM

are the egg whites cooked or are they raw??

**bor** · 07-03-2004, 09:48 AM

**** I don't like the egs in there!Cooked OR raw!

**nickrizz** · 07-03-2004, 09:53 AM

whether they are cooked or raw, i cant picture DRINKING eggs, unless if im rocky

**mrmanners** · 07-03-2004, 10:10 AM

Powerbars protein plus gives you 38 gr of carbs and 24 gr of protein with only 5 gr of fat. -A d*mn good ratio while at work or on the go.

I use fibre one cereal in my shakes; 1/2 a cup provides 54% of the USRDA of fiber, we need that too...

I mix in cottage cheese with my pasta and chili, sounds strange? Try it a couple of times. You can eat stuff that would be considered too high in carbs otherwise but that are now balanced out by the high protein content of cottage cheese. Use that in place of ricotta in a lasagna and use the low carb pasta with ground sirloin, you're looking at over 100 grams of protein in a seating.

What ratios are you shooting for while on a cycle?

I try for 3-400 gr protein 500 gr carbs and . 50 gr of fat and that's at 215 lbs.

M

**weightshead** · 07-03-2004, 01:06 PM

i have two simple recipes that i use when i bulk (adjust the carb/protein/fat ratio as required):

a)
1.5 cup of unprocessed oats
50g of ON whey chocolate flavour
1 tablespoon crunchy peanut butter
blend with water

best to drink from shaker so you can prevent too many of the oat bits settling at the bottom.

b)
1 cup cooked brown rice
50g On whey chocolate flavour
1.5 tablespoons of crunchy peanut butter
1/4 cup of skimmed milk
blend with a little extra water

dont add to many fluids, this is best eaten as a thick rice pudding.

ON nutrition whey is the only powder ive found to taste something like real chocolate, so it mixes well with other foods. shame i have to get it shipped from the states though...

[someone mentioned something about a complex carb powder, its just plain old malto-dextrin, i'd much prefer to use oats in its place]

**weightshead** · 07-03-2004, 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by nickrizz

are the egg whites cooked or are they raw??

uncooked eggs have just over half the BV of cooked eggs, so if your eating them raw you have to alot more than normal!

so stick to cooked eggs, easier and tastier.

**DADDYDBOL** · 07-03-2004, 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by weightshead

uncooked eggs have just over half the BV of cooked eggs, so if your eating them raw you have to alot more than normal!

so stick to cooked eggs, easier and tastier.

whats BV?? if your thinking its bacteria hang on....

**GreenOak** · 07-03-2004, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by mrmanners

Powerbars protein plus gives you 38 gr of carbs and 24 gr of protein with only 5 gr of fat. -A d*mn good ratio while at work or on the go.

The majority of the protein in power bars is useless.

**DADDYDBOL** · 07-03-2004, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by weightshead

uncooked eggs have just over half the BV of cooked eggs, so if your eating them raw you have to alot more than normal!

so stick to cooked eggs, easier and tastier.

raw eggs

**DADDYDBOL** · 07-03-2004, 01:35 PM

form Da Bull:

'If an egg isn't cracked,it's free of disease unless passed on by the hen.I've been eating raw eggs for over 20 years and NEVER once became ill.Please show me documentation to back up your facts that it's danderous.I've actually had doctors tell me to take raw eggs when I had liver issues years ago...I'll be waiting patiently for your facts'

**DADDYDBOL** · 07-03-2004, 01:36 PM

bdtr:

'On that note... if im trying to gain weight FAST, ill go through a dozen or two in a day in my shakes, and im still alive.'

**bermich** · 07-03-2004, 01:51 PM

Another thread where I mention that I also use about 6 12 eggs a day and I have never gotten sick from them.
You can not taste them in the blender if you mix them with stuff.
70 calories per egg.

**mrmanners** · 07-03-2004, 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by GreenOak

The majority of the protein in power bars is useless.

Well, the hydrolyzed collagen present in so many bars is certainly useless.

I like the powerbars protein plus;
If whey protein isolate, calsium caseinate and soy protein isolate is useless please let me know so I can stop wasting my money.

M

**nickrizz** · 07-03-2004, 03:57 PM

im going to try and mix cream of rice in with my protein drink

**nickrizz** · 07-03-2004, 03:59 PM

lee priest uses cream of rice as his meals (he says) instead of oatmeal. it tastes ok.

**weightshead** · 07-03-2004, 04:47 PM

Originally Posted by DADDYDBOL

raw eggs

i wasnt taking about any _supposed_ risk of harmful bacteria with regard to egg whites. BV = biological value, the higher it is the easier it is for your body to digest the protein efficiently.

ill state this again. you have to eat around 40% more eggs if your eating them raw. hence why im saying it is better to eat cooked egg protein

lets back it up with some fact...

The Journal of Nutrition Vol. 128 No. 10 October 1998, pp. 1716-1722

Egg proteins contribute substantially to the daily nitrogen allowances in Western countries and are generally considered to be highly digestible. However, information is lacking on the true ileal digestibility of either raw or cooked egg protein. The recent availability of stable isotope-labeled egg protein allowed determination of the true ileal digestibility of egg protein by means of noninvasive tracer techniques. Five ileostomy patients were studied, once after ingestion of a test meal consisting of 25 g of cooked 13C- and 15N-labeled egg protein, and once after ingestion of the same test meal in raw form. Ileal effluents and breath samples were collected at regular intervals after consumption of the test meal and analyzed for 15N- and 13C-content, respectively. The true ideal digestibility of cooked and raw egg protein amounted to 90.9% (cooked) and 51.3% (raw) respectively. A significant negative correlation (r = 0.92, P < 0.001) was found between the 13C-recovery in breath and the recovery of exogenous N in the ileal effluents. In summary, using the 15N-dilution technique we demonstrated that the assimilation of cooked egg protein is efficient, albeit incomplete, and that the true ileal digestibility of egg protein is significantly enhanced by heat-pretreatment. A simple 13C-breath test technique furthermore proved to be a suitable alternative for the evaluation of the true ileal digestibility of egg protein........

"The true ideal digestibility of cooked and raw egg protein amounted to 90.9% (cooked) and 51.3% (raw) respectively"

case closed?

**frank_frank** · 07-03-2004, 05:03 PM

Originally Posted by Opey

why dont you try a complex carb powder with your shakes? that is where i get alot of my carbs from.

sorry this is really off subject, but is that a magic jersey u r wearing???

hell ya orlando is gonna be bad a$$ next yr!! too bad tmac left

sorry but i got a little excited

**k_dogg** · 07-03-2004, 05:08 PM

Originally Posted by bermich

Another thread where I mention that I also use about 6 12 eggs a day and I have never gotten sick from them.
You can not taste them in the blender if you mix them with stuff.
70 calories per egg.

yeah i use about 12 a day. 3 large raw egg whites in every shake. so thats 9 right there

**frank_frank** · 07-03-2004, 10:03 PM

Originally Posted by k_dogg

yeah i use about 12 a day. 3 large raw egg whites in every shake. so thats 9 right there

hmm?? i thought it is really bad to eat raw eggs because of risk of germs, maybe salmanela ??
i bet u could get really sick

**Opey** · 07-03-2004, 10:16 PM

Originally Posted by frank_frank

sorry this is really off subject, but is that a magic jersey u r wearing???

hell ya orlando is gonna be bad a$$ next yr!! too bad tmac left

sorry but i got a little excited

Hell yeah bro, magic is my team. that is a penny jersy from back in the day. ill change my aviator for another jersy, i have them all.

**Opey** · 07-03-2004, 10:22 PM

There we go, from white to black.

**k_dogg** · 07-03-2004, 10:39 PM

Originally Posted by frank_frank

hey f*ck u daddyball

**bubbathegut** · 07-05-2004, 04:08 PM

well i finally tried this mix and i have to say it wasnt bad at all, when i got done drinking it i was so full i couldnt move for about 20 minutes...

**AustrianOAK14** · 07-05-2004, 04:11 PM

good post but ive done since junior high haha

**TNbb06** · 07-05-2004, 05:15 PM

I'm taking gnc heavy weight gainer 2200, its huge, mix it with 2% milk to make 2200 calories..in water its like 1850 or so. Then I just focus on eating foods filled with carbs throughout the day...anyone have any experiences with gnc weight gainer?