D-bol & Susta 250 or add some Deca?

**MaxoutMike** · 02-13-2002, 06:21 PM

Im doing my 2nd cycle in a few weeks now and i was wondering if I would gain enough from this cycle:

D-bol: w1-4, 30mg/day
Susta 250: w1-7, 500mg/week

My stats:

5.9 ft / 1.80 m
80 kg / 177 lbs

Would it be really necessairy to add 300mg deca from w1-7 or not?

Any estimations for my future gains?

***Sicilian30*** · 02-13-2002, 06:30 PM

You can bro, but that is a good cycle right there. deca will help, but then again what are some of your goals? Maybe some of the other fellas can give you their input on deca with that cycle.. Personally I would save that deca for another dbol cycle. But then again, if you do suffer from Deca Dick, then you may want to use the sus anyways. Hell I don't know.. hard question for me, I guess, cause I love dbol and deca together, but I plan on experimenting with sus and dbol my next cycle, which should be in about 6 weeks. Let me know how this cycle does for you, cause I am going to be starting the same cycle in a few.

**4plates** · 02-13-2002, 06:50 PM

deca would be a great addition
its up to you but you should at least run the sus for a minimum of 8 wks.this will give you a mont of good growth,better if you ran it 10 wks if your running it alone
and if you can up the dbol 35-50 mg ed 1-4

**MaxoutMike** · 02-13-2002, 08:27 PM

So how much will I at least gain from this cycle if i eat/sleep/train right? Any ideas?

What about 8 weeks and frontloading the sust for 2 weeks @ 1000mg in stead of doing 10 weeks?

**dane26** · 02-13-2002, 08:40 PM

....definatley add the deca . it's worth it

**MaxoutMike** · 02-14-2002, 07:32 AM

BUMP..

**Billy Boy** · 02-14-2002, 07:43 AM

IMO I would add deca you,ll get between 10-20lbs.

**MaxoutMike** · 02-14-2002, 08:40 AM

2 buddy's of mine are actually doing this, but I'm continuing this thread for them since they dont have any internet at home.

One of em's done his first cycle 2 years ago and the other one almost 6 years ago. No AS in the meantime.

Wouldn't it be possible to add enough mass (more than 10lbs) on just dbol and sust?

**MaxoutMike** · 02-14-2002, 08:41 AM

btw, the stats i mentioned in the first post still are correct. they both are about that size.

**MaxoutMike** · 02-14-2002, 01:06 PM

bump..

**Pete235** · 02-14-2002, 01:22 PM

I think @ 500mg/week of sust and 30mg/day x weeks 1-4...if your diet and training are spot on you can expect 15-20lbs. Just work hard and eat properly ALWAYS!!!

**THE DON** · 02-15-2002, 12:37 PM

im in my 6 week of that dbol and sust cycle so far 15lbs of gains

**MaxoutMike** · 02-17-2002, 09:52 AM

Sounds great!

Let me know what your final gain is when you're all done!

**Footballdb** · 02-17-2002, 09:56 AM

how to you covert cc's to mg's? when you are talking about liqui dd-bol?

**4plates** · 02-17-2002, 10:18 AM

if it 25 mg streanth ref-b than 1 cc=25mg
1cc=1ml

**MindBomb** · 02-17-2002, 01:19 PM

If you are looking for gains in lb stand point, your diet will dictate more than the AS...Eat plenty (6 to 10 times a day if you can), Carbs, Protein, and Fat....Also sleep at least 10 to 12 hours...This is where you make the gain..My .02. Oh throw in the DECA !

**little-man-zane** · 02-17-2002, 02:47 PM

hey bro...

I say save the deca ...i'm on a sus/dbol cycle right now on my fourth week going into my fifth and have already put on 15 pounds...hopeing to gain another 10!!

**MaxoutMike** · 02-17-2002, 02:58 PM

Im considering this to be my next cycle too, and since I'm self employed I'm looking forward to a great cycle period: having all the time to eat up to 8 times a day, preparing and calculating everything as it should be, sleeping as long as i have to etc.

Can't wait to see the effect of that!

**goldstone_77** · 02-18-2002, 11:34 AM

Damn, I would suggest wk 1-5 d-bol 25mg(split up into 3 times a day); wk 6-8 winstrol 50mg ED; 1-8 sustanon 250mg 2/week; week 1-10 take nolvadex 20 to 40mg a day depending on side effects. wk 11 take 300mg clomid first day 100mg for the rest of the week, and 50mg for 2 more weeks after that.

**flex321** · 02-19-2002, 02:18 PM

Originally posted by goldstone_77
Damn, I would suggest wk 1-5 d-bol 25mg(split up into 3 times a day); wk 6-8 winstrol 50mg ED; 1-8 sustanon 250mg 2/week; week 1-10 take nolvadex 20 to 40mg a day depending on side effects. wk 11 take 300mg clomid first day 100mg for the rest of the week, and 50mg for 2 more weeks after that.

You say thats what you suggest? I'm not flaming or disrespecting you but he asked if he should add deca to his sust/dbol cycle, so suggest weatrher you wpould or not

I would add it at 400mg/wk 1-10 if you can do it! you'll feel much better