07-06-2004, 08:44 AM #1
Is Test E ok to add to a cutting cycle.
I'm doing a cutting cycle which includes tren , deca , winstrol and clenbuterol .
I wish I hadn't done this cycle, cause I really enjoy being huge, even if being a bit bloated.
Anyway, I know everyone says that test should be the base steroid , especially for those roids that I chose, but I honestly have no problem with my sex drive or erection and i'm on week 8 of 16
I just wanted to ask whether just 250mg of testosterone enanthate will put on some extra size for the next 8 weeks, or if it would just be a waste of money at such a low dose.
07-06-2004, 08:46 AM #2
07-06-2004, 09:25 AM #3
Enan can be used to cut but your diet will need to be super clean but since you're running Tren why not use Prop at 100mg ED....... you will be or should be doing ED injections anyway. Also, the test will help with the shutdown from the deca and tren.
How is your sex drive? Deca and Tren is hard on HPTA and prolactin levels can get up there quick.
Last edited by TheMudMan; 07-06-2004 at 09:28 AM.
07-06-2004, 09:38 AM #4
Personally I wouldnt use Test E to cut. It holds a bit of water. I would use Test Prop instead. Surely you can still use Test E 2 cut up, but if you want the 100% accuracy out of it, I'd say Test Prop is a better way to go
07-06-2004, 10:39 AM #5
07-06-2004, 10:46 AM #6Originally Posted by Jrock79
07-06-2004, 10:46 AM #7
I think adding some test of any kind to that cycle would be a good idea.
07-06-2004, 10:50 AM #8
07-06-2004, 10:53 AM #9Originally Posted by Jrock79
07-06-2004, 10:56 AM #10
Im pretty sure the bottle is Brown (label is blue)..Pretty sure yet dont have it anywhere near me.
Last edited by Jrock79; 07-06-2004 at 10:59 AM.
07-06-2004, 10:59 AM #11
I was referring to the label.....
07-06-2004, 11:01 AM #12
07-06-2004, 11:02 AM #13
then its cyp, and shooting it twice a week is a good thing. so becuse your doing cyp start clomid 2 weeks after your last shot
07-06-2004, 11:05 AM #14
I fyou use test E in a cutting cycle you will want an AI and an SERM to keep water off, a shorter ester might be a better choice.
07-06-2004, 11:07 AM #15
thanks man....I have liquidex and tomox on hand....was thinking that would do!
07-06-2004, 11:37 PM #16Originally Posted by 50%Natural
My cycle consists of
weeks 1-6 Tren
weeks 4-16 Deca at 400mg/week
weeks 10-16 Winstrol Depot 50mg/day
weeks 15-19 Clenbuterol with PCT Therapy consisting of Clomid and HCG
My diet is clean from fats apart from EFA's like olive oil, but my carb intake is quite high and I consume approx 200gramms protein per day as well as around 3000-3500 calories from complex carbohydrates.
I do cardio 3 times a week for 45 minutes also. I burn fat like a mofo with cardio.
07-06-2004, 11:41 PM #17
cycle looks good, i dont like boners either
07-06-2004, 11:43 PM #18Originally Posted by TheMudMan
As I said in my previous post my sex drive is through the roof. You know some people get sexual overstimulation from deca, whereas others get deca dick and no sex drive whatsoever.
1 problem however, that could be from the deca, is that although my dick erects, it doesn't get stiff, but it's kind of bendy. A couple of women complained about this and realized I was doing steroids . Is this a side effect of steroid use , or just drugs that shut down the HPTA hard.
Anyone else have this problem. (Erection, but not a stiff erection)
Also what combats prolactin levels. I guess nothing
I don't seem to have a problem however. The last time I got gyno was from Sustanon . Never using it again.
07-06-2004, 11:45 PM #19Originally Posted by Gear
When I finish the cycle, the water should dissapear anyway, hopefully leaving the lean muscle mass underneath behind, after PCT. I can put up with a bit of water until the end of the cycle, but it's the estrogen levels i'm worried about. I wanna completely stamp them out.
07-06-2004, 11:48 PM #20Originally Posted by RJM03
Wouldn't you say 250mg of enanthate is very mild however?
I am taking AI's throughout the cycle.
07-07-2004, 12:01 AM #21Banned
- Join Date
- Jan 2003
- southern california
just a quick question, naybe dumb but are AI's (anti inflamatories?) if so does that help with water retention?
07-07-2004, 10:03 AM #22Originally Posted by pb2xtreme1
07-09-2004, 12:58 AM #23
07-09-2004, 04:00 AM #24
hey mate, 250mg is a moderately low dose, and whilst most say too low and 500mg is standard, after reading numerous posts of people using low doses it could work
i remember reading a post recently where someone ran 200mg eq and 250mg test e/wk
and went from 195-210 and also reduced their bf by 6%
07-11-2004, 06:52 AM #25Originally Posted by map200uk
07-11-2004, 06:59 AM #26
getting rid of water retention is not as easy as that my friend. You dont know how much water your body will retain. It all depends on how your body reacts. Its ok to use any test to cut up, but I am just saying that test prop retains less water and may make you lookin a bit leaner than if you used test E.
07-11-2004, 07:02 AM #27
Test enantate is perfect for cutting if stacked with Letrozole (no difference between Enan and Prop except it takes longer to feel the enan)
Second to cut don't use Deca but go for equipose!
A good cycle would be:
Week 1-14 Test Enan 250 mg E3D
Week 1-12 Equipose 200 mg E3D
Week 1-10 Tren Enan 200 mg E3D
Week11-16 Anavar or Winstrol 50 mg ED
PCT week 16
Letrozole as Anti-estrogen!
Protein at least 200 grams a day!
Clen with Taurin 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off with ECY on off weeks!
(Take Clen + Ketotifen + Taurine during entire PCT!)
07-11-2004, 07:18 AM #28
I dont know how good Test E is for cutting when used with Letrozole . But Test E and Test Prop are not the same. Their esters are different, they feel different and they certinly bring different results.
07-11-2004, 07:20 AM #29
07-11-2004, 07:22 AM #30
07-11-2004, 07:26 AM #31
Yeah I am aware of wat Let does, but just dont know how well it really works coz I have never used it b4. Thanx anyway bro
07-11-2004, 07:27 AM #32
You are right when you say the ester effects the characteristics:
This has to do with (previous post of mine):
The ester also affects the characteristics of the steroid , even though it has the same parentmolecule, this has three reasons:
1) Some steroids benefit more from a steady release of molecules then from "shocking" the body by saturating all receptors at once
2) The ester affects the Molecular weight of the total meaning longer esters mean less of the parent hormone
(Test Undecanoate is the longest ester and will yield about 60% Testosteron per mg in contrast to Test Base which is 100%)
3) Enzymes-interactions --> The body works with a Feedbacksystem, the higher the concentration the more the body will try to normalize the old situation (Homeostasis), that's why in theory Test Base is the worst for Gyno since the enormous amount of accumelating Test in the blood in a short period, will be compensated by an enormous amount of Estrogenproduction (which when turned to Estradiol will cause a hell of a lot of trouble).
But when I use Prop and Enan it certainly doesn't feel different or yield other results!
07-11-2004, 07:29 AM #33
Users Browsing this Thread
There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)