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    propionate

    can someone help me out I wanna stack something with propionate but unsure of what but i also dont want anything with water retention i tryed dball and there was to much retention... Im new to th ewhole steroid thing ive always been natural so if someone can help plz do

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    read you other thread...and do some research while your at it

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    So this is your first real cycle?
    I suggest you stay away from prop. ED injections isnt really for a first timer...
    Go with Test E or C... Injections twice a week and much more stable blood levels..
    Run .25 ldex throughout will help with the bloat.... and of course nolva through and and proper pct...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ToughGuy13
    So this is your first real cycle?
    I suggest you stay away from prop. ED injections isnt really for a first timer...
    Go with Test E or C... Injections twice a week and much more stable blood levels..
    Run .25 ldex throughout will help with the bloat.... and of course nolva through and and proper pct...
    agreed. Test E is good for a first cycle and I havent gotten much bloat from it.. althought im shooting aratest which has some prop in it

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    I disagree. I used prop for my first cycle with ed injections and absolutely LOVED it. everybody is different though. How old are you?

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    may ask then what is good to stack test e or c with
    and if i do choose to do propionate what is good to stack it with

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    for your first cycle I'd just run it by itself. As for stacking. there is tons of things to stack with them. Read the educational forum and members cycle results forum. There is a goldmine of knowledge here, but you have to put some effort into learning it if you really want to do it right.

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    im 22
    ive already done a few cycles
    ive done a couple of clen cycles
    30 shot of the niles sustanon 250mg
    and deca and dball i was doin 600mg of deca a week and 50 mg of dball aday

    to give an idea of my strength
    for my bench 365 6 times 405 twice
    squat 445 5 times and
    cleaned 275 4 times
    im 6'2 280

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    Big Boy....

    Test 500mg 1-13wk
    Eq 400mg 1-12wk
    Dbol or prob 1-4wk if u want...
    Nolva 10mg throughout
    .25mg ldex
    Proper pct

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    if you're set on using prop, since for best results its recommended to do everyday shots, I'd go with something like tren or masteron or any short ester med

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    after readin a few other peoples cycles
    i have one of two ideas
    prop/tren /clen
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    prop/deca /clen

    if anyone can comment please do
    as well as i already have clomids for after but what does nova do

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    Well your not gonna stay very lean on deca ....

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    does deca bulk you up
    coz that may explain why my deca/dball cycle bloated me up huge
    so then would
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    prop- 500mg 1-12 weeks
    tren - 300mg 1-12 weeks
    clen /eca
    Last edited by probowl00; 07-07-2004 at 07:18 PM.

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    Tren is very hard on you... I dont think You should be going with that yet... but ive never used it im sure some other bros will let u know..

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    why is tren hard

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    Tren is one of the hardest AAS on your HPTA.........

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    Tren is one of the hardest AAS on your HPTA.........

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    POS comp sorry...

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    what does tren do exactly plz

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    Tren is over rated IMO. I wouldn't use it on a first cycle, I would save it for a bit, definetly just do a plain test cycle.

    If you have one under your belt, go ahead and run tren. Tren is more adrogenic then test, you should be fine on it.

    Everyone reacts different.

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    Stole this from Da Bull....

    Pharmaceutical Name: trenbolone (as acetate)
    Chemical structure: 17-beta-hydroxyestra-4, 9-11-trien-3-one
    Effective dose: 40-70 mg every 2-3 days either transdermally, nasally or by injection

    According to many an opinion this drug delivers the best gains, qualitatively speaking, for money. You notice two names on top of this profile, but unfortunately finaject hasn't been made in quite a while now. Since 1987. This is quite a shame. Both Finaplix and finaject are veterinary steroids and were readily and easily available for democratic prices. Finaject was an injectable and provided you could find a sterile source it was quite convenient. Now only finaplix remains as the original source of trenbolone acetate. The Ttokkyo brand trenbol75 surfaces from time to time as well, but its derived from the same material, though qualitatively not as pure. The problem with finaplix as opposed to finaject is that it comes in veterinary implant pellets, and trust me, you don't want to get one of these babies shot in your butt. So it needs to be converted to either a transdermal (often using DMSO) or an injectable. There are kits to achieve both. Trenbolone nasal sprays are gaining popularity as well.


    Trenbolone acetate is rather short-acting but well liked because of its great availability and price. The alternative is the limited availability of Parabolan , a longer-acting trenbolone ester made for human use. Unfortunately certain lots only surface from time to time and they never sell cheap. They do act quite a bit longer. Parabolan (trenbolone as hexahydrobencylcarbonate) has the half-life of an enanthate meaning it requires less frequent injections. One of the major problems with finaplix however is that beginners making sterile injectable compounds isn't a wishful thing, and often leads to abscesses and infections.

    The fun with Fina is that it causes small, well-maintainable and quality gains. Naturally it won't give you the sort of mass that testosterone or methandrostenolone would give, but it makes up for it by adding only quality mass (no estrogen formation, so no fat and water retention) which is quite easy to keep on your frame. In contradiction to many aromatizing steroids such as testosterone where a large portion of the gained mass is quickly lost again after discontinuation of the product.

    It's also a very versatile product that can be used in a lot of different ways. One could easily stack it with testosterone, anadrol or dianabol for mass gains where the actions of trenbolone cause severe strength gains and add some quality to the mass. Since trenbolone was found to be roughly 3 to 4 times as anabolic as most testosterone esters it quite easily boosts strength over short periods of time. It acts well on the androgen receptor with as a result that it can have certain side-effects. Most notably the normal androgenic side-effects such as increased acne and a risk for prostate hypertrophy, definitely increased aggression leading to roid rage in prolonged use of high doses and in some cases an aggravation of an existing hair loss problem.

    On the other hand trenbolone just as easily combines with stanozolol or methenolone for purposes of reducing body-fat. Bill Roberts recently claimed that trenbolone doesn't reduce body-fat and that nothing in the literature proves it does. But I beg to differ. Either Mr.Roberts isn't too bright or he doesn't know how to perform a medline search, since after a mere minute of searching I found a study1 that clearly documented the fat-loss aspects of trenbolone acetate. It clearly concluded (even said so in the abstract) that trenbolone does indeed reduce body-fat (as androgens do, we discuss this in our profile of Masteron ), but only when not competing with circulating estrogen. This means as a fat-loss agonist, trenbolone is best used late in a cycle and only combined with non-aromatizing steroids since it competes with circulating estradiol. Body-fat percentage when cutting would drop regardless, simply because of the qualitative lean mass gain made while no extra body-fat is deposited.

    And finally in doses of 50-100 mg daily, trenbolone acetate can be used just fine by itself and quite favorably. In fact for people starting out, not too concerned with the side-effects and looking solely for a quality increase in lean muscle, small doses of fina (50mg/day injectable) would be very suitable.

    The mechanism by which trenbolone mediates skeletal muscle hypertrophy is diversified and not very well understood. On the one hand trenbolone is a very active agonist of the androgen receptor, as illustrated by its increasing strength and aggression at the level it does. While this is a large contributor there is evidence that it mediates muscle growth by another pathway entirely2,3, namely the increasing of satellite cell sensitivity to an increase in IGF-1 (Insulin -Like growth factor 1) and FGF (Fibroblast growth factor). This would result in a much, much greater nutrient uptake and protein synthesis and explain why trenbolone is so much more potent in building lean muscle than other non-aromatizing, AR-mediated steroids like drostanolone and mesterolone.

    In fact, in veterinary cycles the androgenic hypertrophy is regarded as the strongest of any steroid , which is why instead of using aromatizing compounds to enhance mass in cattle, they now inject them with products like Revalor-S, which contains trenbolone and estradiol, to make up for the lack of estrogenic mass accrual.

    The points one may wish to consider during use of Fina is the low sterility of some home-brewed concoctions along with the already relatively painful injections (high alcohol content). This can lead to multiple problems when it is injected daily. Lumps due to plentiful same-site injections, abscesses and infections caused by faulty filtering and so on. Trenbolone is not particularly toxic though. Liver values are barely elevated while using it. Though there is no evidence or explanation to support this, some users reported a certain kidney-toxicity. Blood in urine and all that. While this was no doubt the result of a fake (Finaject used to be an often faked steroid shortly after its discontinuation) but I figured I'd mention it. Other than that mild androgenic effects such as acne and an increase in hair loss are noted as well.

    Trenbolone is relatively safe steroid all in all. There is some concern about kidney toxicity, but usually exaggerated. The beauty of trenbolone is that its one steroid that has it all : Its highly effective in its own, provides all lean gains which are fairly easy to maintain and isn't very prone to cause side-effects. Finaplix particularly provides you with a cheap source of trenbolone as well. The problem is making the cartridges into a sterile injectable or transdermal.

    To get the maximum it is recommended that you inject the stuff of course, but that's slightly more complex as you need to get rid of a lot of the crap they put in these cartridges. You will need sterile oil, solvent (lipophillic), 1 empty sterile container, A syringe filter, two syringes and 2 18gauge needles. Start by putting your pellets in your solvent, and let it sit. You want the pellets to become completely undone and dissolved in your fluid. This is imperative. Shake it up real good and then let it sit for 12-48 hours to let all the crap sink to the bottom. Now take one of your syringes and start transferring the fluid into the sterile oil. You can decant as well, but you really don't want any of the crud on the bottom to make it into this solution, so using the syringe and doing it slowly is the best way. Now take your empty sterile container and use a new syringe to transfer the oil. Attach a syringe filter between syringe and needle and slowly put the oil into your container, slowly filtering it. For everytime you repeat this step you need uncouple the filter/needle from the syringe, or else dirt will gather at the wrong side of the filter and get into your solution. In fact, if your container is a vial its advised that you leave the needle in the vial with the filter on it and you just use the syringe to refill and filter. This solution is now fit to be injected. Its still advised to hold the syringe with the trenbolone under some hot streaming water before injecting first though.

    Nasal sprays and sublingual forms are also popular, and while they too have some minor success, they are the worst way to go. It's a steroid, and with the added ester its even more lipophillic. Since the mucous membranes in the mouth and nose only let hydrophilic substances through, the rate of absorption is extremely limited. Usually to achieve this cyclodextrins are used, sugars that are lipophillic on the inside and can hold a steroid inside, but are hydrophilic on the outside, making the whole absorbable through these channels. But since fina does not have this and most of us do not possess the skills to make cyclodextrin complexes in our own kitchens, this is not a path one should consider. There is little or no need to stack secondary drugs with fina. It does not aromatize. There is some concern as to fina being progestagenic, so you should you opt to stack it with an aromatizable compound it may worsen potential gynocomastia so adding winstrol or Nolvadex , or even both to such a stack may be wise. But in itself or in a non-aromatizing stack this is not necessary. The use for post-cycle estrogen antagonists is limited as well, so Nolva or clomid to boost natural test will have little use. It is a very strong androgen receptor agonist however, so perhaps using some HCG after a cycle may help you retain more gains and prevent testicular shrinkage, but since HCG does increase estrogen that does reinstate the use of Nolvadex or clomid as well.

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    Bro, run 14 weeks of Prop @ 75mg ED, 12 weeks of EQ at 400mg EW and you'll get some great gains. Assuming diet and training are on track.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ECoastVIP
    Bro, run 14 weeks of Prop @ 75mg ED, 12 weeks of EQ at 400mg EW and you'll get some great gains. Assuming diet and training are on track.

    I agree.....

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    im dieting well now and doin alot of cardio and its all workin well
    thanks toughguy13 youve been the most help on here

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    just one question does finaject and proponate give give a bad case of gyno

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    Tren has given me great results. Tren gave me the biggest body composition change hands down. Great strength, vascularity and muscle seperation. Its great for bulkers and cutters. It's not as hard as everyone thinks. I monitor my bloods very carefully, and have only notice a slight change in lipid levels. which can also be contributed to ldex. liver functions always fine. i never do a cycle without it. i dont do "bulkers" anymore, I go for slow steady lbm gains. im cutting right now with prop/tren/masteron ..wow what a combo!! tren does have sides tho, noticeble ones, and usually right away. the most noticeble are night sweats and insomnia. there's good with the bad with tren.

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    wat is ldex
    and ho do i know when finaject is real

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    Quote Originally Posted by probowl00
    wat is ldex
    and ho do i know when finaject is real
    bro, you have alot of homework to do. use the search feature on this board.

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    I do realize i have alot of homework to do
    but it would be nice for some help
    im very new to this

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fit2bLarge
    bro, you have alot of homework to do. use the search feature on this board.
    It took you this long to figure this out...look at post #2....

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    Quote Originally Posted by probowl00
    I do realize i have alot of homework to do
    but it would be nice for some help
    im very new to this
    we were all new to this at one time or another and research is the only way to figure out what you are putting in your body. Knowledge is power my friend.

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    bump

    xxample

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    Well, not only will Tren shut you down, but Tren has a ton of side effects. I like Prop and EQ together!

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    I ran Tren on my 2nd, shut me down hard and gave me insanely high BP.. I prolly won't touch it for a long time if ever..

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    Great ****ter in the post above mine!!!

    Tren Winny Eq all of these stack well eod if you can't handle ed injections. K

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    it will stack great with winstrol

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