Local MUSCLE growth from the site you inject?

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07-09-2004, 01:58 PM
AustrianOAK14

Local MUSCLE growth from the site you inject?

hey bros im on a 15 week cycle of test cyp/eq/winny/and i might add sum tren.....but heres the thing i read in anabolics 2004 that injecting winny into triceps and biceps can increase muscle tissue growth is this true??? and have any of you all had experiences like this..where you inject that muscle grows?? i was thinking about using a 29" gauge to inject winny(stanazolic50mg/ml) into my arms in weeks 11-17 do you think they will grow?? well hope to hear your comments hopefully my 17" guns can grow from these injections help me out bros
07-09-2004, 01:59 PM
symatech

aas are absorbed throughout your entire body. The only reason why site injections may get larger is stretching of the fascia.
07-09-2004, 02:00 PM
BUYLONGTERM

NO, if it were, my ass would be huge!!! :)
07-09-2004, 02:02 PM
thejuiceisloose

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Originally Posted by buylongterm

NO, if it were, my ass would be huge!!! :)

lol I agree, but I would have an uneven ass, since I inject my right one 2x's more than my left, :lol:
07-09-2004, 02:03 PM
AustrianOAK14

yeah i didnt have an ass before steroids now its like jlos almost to me personally i think you do grow from local site injections...my delts grow and feel pumped wheni hit them up wtih sustanon 250 last cycle i started hitting them up again and now they feel bigger its strange i know but to me i think it works
07-09-2004, 02:08 PM
einstein1905

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Originally Posted by AustrianOAK14

hey bros im on a 15 week cycle of test cyp/eq/winny/and i might add sum tren.....but heres the thing i read in anabolics 2004 that injecting winny into triceps and biceps can increase muscle tissue growth is this true??? and have any of you all had experiences like this..where you inject that muscle grows?? i was thinking about using a 29" gauge to inject winny(stanazolic50mg/ml) into my arms in weeks 11-17 do you think they will grow?? well hope to hear your comments hopefully my 17" guns can grow from these injections help me out bros

AAS (or peptides like IGF-1, insulin, GH, etc) with no ester can have site-specific effects. AAS with long esters have no potential for site-specific effects, as they have to leave the site to become de-esterified ("activated", so to speak)
07-09-2004, 02:09 PM
jmp51483

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Originally Posted by einstein1905

AAS (or peptides like IGF-1, insulin, GH, etc) with no ester can have site-specific effects. AAS with long esters have no potential for site-specific effects, as they have to leave the site to become de-esterified ("activated", so to speak)

out of Curiousity How many times a day does Suspension need to be shot?
07-09-2004, 02:10 PM
whiteyk

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Originally Posted by jmp51483

out of Curiousity How many times a day does Suspension need to be shot?

twice
07-09-2004, 02:15 PM
AustrianOAK14

cool ill hit the bi and tris with sum winny
07-09-2004, 02:18 PM
scotttiger54

site injections for increased growth in a specific area of the body? one of the many myths about gear. site injecting synthol is the only thing you can do to increase the size of a particular muscle
07-09-2004, 02:36 PM
einstein1905

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Originally Posted by scotttiger54

site injections for increased growth in a specific area of the body? one of the many myths about gear. site injecting synthol is the only thing you can do to increase the size of a particular muscle

No the myth that site-specific growth is a myth is the myth. People automatically assume the AAS, in general, can't cause site-specific effects. test enanthate and test suspension have absolutely nothing to do with each other in this respect. test suspension certainly does have potential for site-specific effects, but one has to inject with that intent, so I'm not talking about rotating site each injection.
07-09-2004, 02:36 PM
thejuiceisloose

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Originally Posted by scotttiger54

site injections for increased growth in a specific area of the body? one of the many myths about gear. site injecting synthol is the only thing you can do to increase the size of a particular muscle

interesting... :scratch:
07-09-2004, 02:39 PM
scotttiger54

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Originally Posted by einstein1905

No the myth that site-specific growth is a myth is the myth. People automatically assume the AAS, in general, can't cause site-specific effects. test enanthate and test suspension have absolutely nothing to do with each other in this respect. test suspension certainly does have potential for site-specific effects, but one has to inject with that intent, so I'm not talking about rotating site each injection.

thanks for politely putting me in my place ;)
07-09-2004, 02:44 PM
j.r.w.

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Originally Posted by AustrianOAK14

hey bros im on a 15 week cycle of test cyp/eq/winny/and i might add sum tren.....but heres the thing i read in anabolics 2004 that injecting winny into triceps and biceps can increase muscle tissue growth is this true??? and have any of you all had experiences like this..where you inject that muscle grows?? i was thinking about using a 29" gauge to inject winny(stanazolic50mg/ml) into my arms in weeks 11-17 do you think they will grow?? well hope to hear your comments hopefully my 17" guns can grow from these injections help me out bros

I would love to see how you plan on getting winny into a 29 guage needle. Have you ever tried that??? It aint happining.
07-09-2004, 03:18 PM
AustrianOAK14

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Originally Posted by j.r.w.

I would love to see how you plan on getting winny into a 29 guage needle. Have you ever tried that??? It aint happining.

actually i bought my freind a vial of 20ml/50mg winstrol its stanazolic by denkall and ive seen him inject it into his bicep the **** is SMOOTH bro so IT WILL HAPPEN trust me son
07-09-2004, 03:22 PM
BigPoppaV

Winny in a 29g ROFL... good luck, maybe when pigs fly..
I'm using 23g in my tri's and delts for winny right now, 25g seized up (winny crystalized too quickly)
07-09-2004, 03:29 PM
AustrianOAK14

what brand are you using??? im telling you my stanazolic is very refined son....what brand are you using my **** is from mexico its 50mg not 100mg **** even my qv stan100 can pass through a 25" gauge if you dont knwo dont talk bro
07-09-2004, 03:52 PM
jmp51483

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Originally Posted by AustrianOAK14

what brand are you using??? im telling you my stanazolic is very refined son....what brand are you using my **** is from mexico its 50mg not 100mg **** even my qv stan100 can pass through a 25" gauge if you dont knwo dont talk bro

Woa man.. Calm yourself down alittle bit... sheesh it sounds like your on a rampage...
07-09-2004, 03:52 PM
Warrior

I would have to disagree. Local site growth isn't necessarily going to happen. Your body requires some normality to it. If a suspension could cause local growth - than could I just blow up my biceps to twice the size of my triceps? And then come off the gear and keep this new shape? It really doesn't seem feasible to me.... if site injectioning suspensions works - its effects would be very limited... but if they are limited then do can they occur at all. You can train to bring up a weak bodypart - so you might be able to supplement that prioritized training with local injections - but the effects would have to be severely limited...

Also, people tend to think they are getting better upperbody development from localized growth - HOWEVER, based on medical abstracts, the upperbody is more sensitive to the androgens... which can be shown in the difference between a normally virilized man and a women...

From an old post of mine...

Don't put all your money in to thinking site injections will improve the muscle group that you are administering into. The gear is metabolized through out the body and there is little evidence of any localized growth. Rotateing sites is good to keep down scar tissue - not necessarily to bring up a lagging muscle group... other than swelling cause by the oil volume and scarring.

There is some credible research on how AAS effects different muscles in the body - for example...

"Kochakian discovered early in his experiments that not all skeletal muscle responds to anabolic steroids equally. When he administered anabolic steroids to androgen deffecient guinea pigs, he found the predominant effect to be on upper-body muscles in the region of the shoulder girdle. There are important species differences, as well. For example, the guinea pig temporal muscles are especially responsive to testosterone treatmentm as are frog forearm muscles. Nevertheless, what Kochakian observed is consistent with the stereotypical body shape of normally virilized men, with wider shoulders and larger necks than their female counterparts. In a study with a small number of men receiving testosterone or nandrolone injections for six weeks, we also found the main increases in body circumferences in the shoulders and chest." (Friedl, Anabolic Steroids in Sport and Exercise)
07-09-2004, 03:55 PM
jmp51483

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Originally Posted by Warrior

I would have to disagree. Local site growth isn't necessarily going to happen. Your body requires some normality to it. If a suspension could cause local growth - than could I just blow up my biceps to twice the size of my triceps? And then come off the gear and keep this new shape? It really doesn't seem feasible to me.... if site injectioning suspensions works - its effects would be very limited... but if they are limited then do can they occur at all. You can train to bring up a weak bodypart - so you might be able to supplement that prioritized training with local injections - but the effects would have to be severely limited...

Also, people tend to think they are getting better upperbody development from localized growth - HOWEVER, based on medical abstracts, the upperbody is more sensitive to the androgens... which can be shown in the difference between a normally virilized man and a women...

From an old post of mine...

Don't put all your money in to thinking site injections will improve the muscle group that you are administering into. The gear is metabolized through out the body and there is little evidence of any localized growth. Rotateing sites is good to keep down scar tissue - not necessarily to bring up a lagging muscle group... other than swelling cause by the oil volume and scarring.

There is some credible research on how AAS effects different muscles in the body - for example...

"Kochakian discovered early in his experiments that not all skeletal muscle responds to anabolic steroids equally. When he administered anabolic steroids to androgen deffecient guinea pigs, he found the predominant effect to be on upper-body muscles in the region of the shoulder girdle. There are important species differences, as well. For example, the guinea pig temporal muscles are especially responsive to testosterone treatmentm as are frog forearm muscles. Nevertheless, what Kochakian observed is consistent with the stereotypical body shape of normally virilized men, with wider shoulders and larger necks than their female counterparts. In a study with a small number of men receiving testosterone or nandrolone injections for six weeks, we also found the main increases in body circumferences in the shoulders and chest." (Friedl, Anabolic Steroids in Sport and Exercise)

Excellent Post Brother!
07-09-2004, 03:56 PM
thejuiceisloose

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Originally Posted by jmp51483

Excellent Post Brother!

RIGHT ON!!!! :tu1: :tu1: that deserves 2 thumbs up
07-09-2004, 03:57 PM
scotttiger54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Warrior

I would have to disagree. Local site growth isn't necessarily going to happen. Your body requires some normality to it. If a suspension could cause local growth - than could I just blow up my biceps to twice the size of my triceps? And then come off the gear and keep this new shape? It really doesn't seem feasible to me.... if site injectioning suspensions works - its effects would be very limited... but if they are limited then do can they occur at all. You can train to bring up a weak bodypart - so you might be able to supplement that prioritized training with local injections - but the effects would have to be severely limited...

Also, people tend to think they are getting better upperbody development from localized growth - HOWEVER, based on medical abstracts, the upperbody is more sensitive to the androgens... which can be shown in the difference between a normally virilized man and a women...

From an old post of mine...

Don't put all your money in to thinking site injections will improve the muscle group that you are administering into. The gear is metabolized through out the body and there is little evidence of any localized growth. Rotateing sites is good to keep down scar tissue - not necessarily to bring up a lagging muscle group... other than swelling cause by the oil volume and scarring.

There is some credible research on how AAS effects different muscles in the body - for example...

"Kochakian discovered early in his experiments that not all skeletal muscle responds to anabolic steroids equally. When he administered anabolic steroids to androgen deffecient guinea pigs, he found the predominant effect to be on upper-body muscles in the region of the shoulder girdle. There are important species differences, as well. For example, the guinea pig temporal muscles are especially responsive to testosterone treatmentm as are frog forearm muscles. Nevertheless, what Kochakian observed is consistent with the stereotypical body shape of normally virilized men, with wider shoulders and larger necks than their female counterparts. In a study with a small number of men receiving testosterone or nandrolone injections for six weeks, we also found the main increases in body circumferences in the shoulders and chest." (Friedl, Anabolic Steroids in Sport and Exercise)

exactly what i was thinking, just didn't have any medical info to back my theory up on. i always respect einstein's knowledge ( because he has a lot of it) buts thanks for throwing in that interesting bit of info warrior
07-09-2004, 04:00 PM
AustrianOAK14

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Originally Posted by jmp51483

Woa man.. Calm yourself down alittle bit... sheesh it sounds like your on a rampage...

yeah ok guy those two guys dont even know what there talking about
07-09-2004, 04:29 PM
Honest Abe

i think it is as simple as this:

you get tempary swelling from iritation of an injection.

i know a lot of people who believe in spot injections, they'll shoot a muscle group and then work it out right after and swear it makes there muscles bigger.

and it does temporarly from irritation but they just don't get it...mmmmmm

hello anyone home....?????
07-09-2004, 04:50 PM
thejuiceisloose

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Originally Posted by Honest Abe

i think it is as simple as this:

you get tempary swelling from iritation of an injection.

i know a lot of people who believe in spot injections, they'll shoot a muscle group and then work it out right after and swear it makes there muscles bigger.

and it does temporarly from irritation but they just don't get it...mmmmmm

hello anyone home....?????

It sounds like it makes sense, of course it may swell due to irritation from the injection site, so it make be "mental growth" huh? :unsure:
07-09-2004, 06:10 PM
AustrianOAK14

i think spot injections work bro imo at least teh water based one do
07-09-2004, 07:09 PM
einstein1905

Quote:

Originally Posted by Warrior

I would have to disagree. Local site growth isn't necessarily going to happen. Your body requires some normality to it. If a suspension could cause local growth - than could I just blow up my biceps to twice the size of my triceps? And then come off the gear and keep this new shape? It really doesn't seem feasible to me.... if site injectioning suspensions works - its effects would be very limited... but if they are limited then do can they occur at all. You can train to bring up a weak bodypart - so you might be able to supplement that prioritized training with local injections - but the effects would have to be severely limited...

Also, people tend to think they are getting better upperbody development from localized growth - HOWEVER, based on medical abstracts, the upperbody is more sensitive to the androgens... which can be shown in the difference between a normally virilized man and a women...

From an old post of mine...

Don't put all your money in to thinking site injections will improve the muscle group that you are administering into. The gear is metabolized through out the body and there is little evidence of any localized growth. Rotateing sites is good to keep down scar tissue - not necessarily to bring up a lagging muscle group... other than swelling cause by the oil volume and scarring.

There is some credible research on how AAS effects different muscles in the body - for example...

"Kochakian discovered early in his experiments that not all skeletal muscle responds to anabolic steroids equally. When he administered anabolic steroids to androgen deffecient guinea pigs, he found the predominant effect to be on upper-body muscles in the region of the shoulder girdle. There are important species differences, as well. For example, the guinea pig temporal muscles are especially responsive to testosterone treatmentm as are frog forearm muscles. Nevertheless, what Kochakian observed is consistent with the stereotypical body shape of normally virilized men, with wider shoulders and larger necks than their female counterparts. In a study with a small number of men receiving testosterone or nandrolone injections for six weeks, we also found the main increases in body circumferences in the shoulders and chest." (Friedl, Anabolic Steroids in Sport and Exercise)

Granted, the gains won't be Earth-shattering, but significant enough to justify doing so. Most people write it off, even with suspension, they'll inject at multiple sites. I'm talking injecting with intent. targetting 1 or 2 muscles.
Suspension, being unesterified, is free to bind ARs immediately upon injection. The site into which the suspension is injected will have a dramatically higher ratio of test:AR than anywhere else, hence a much higher % of successful bindings, due simply to kinetics. 2-3 weeks of suspension into a lagging bodypart can certainly have a noticeable effect.
With IGF-1 (although completely independent of ARs here), the effects are even more quickly realized.

After a little delay, the little site-specific growth experiment is soon to be underway. Animal-inside will be injecting 75mg 2x/day into the biceps of one arm, and an equal volume of sterile oil into the other biceps....this will go on for 100 days total, and measurements and pictures will be taken to mark progress.
07-10-2004, 05:14 AM
Warrior

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Originally Posted by einstein1905

After a little delay, the little site-specific growth experiment is soon to be underway. Animal-inside will be injecting 75mg 2x/day into the biceps of one arm, and an equal volume of sterile oil into the other biceps....this will go on for 100 days total, and measurements and pictures will be taken to mark progress.

Injecting testosterone suspension at 75mg 2xED?

Sweet - primates make for good studies... I would be interested at hearing the data - also if there is any significant results - are they maintained after the exogenous androgens are discontinued... say 4-6 weeks off...
07-10-2004, 05:45 AM
einstein1905

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Originally Posted by Warrior

Injecting testosterone suspension at 75mg 2xED?

Sweet - primates make for good studies... I would be interested at hearing the data - also if there is any significant results - are they maintained after the exogenous androgens are discontinued... say 4-6 weeks off...

Yes, progress will be followed after stopping the suspension too.

yes, test suspension at 75mg/mL so as to have a significant volume, which can also help disprove that the effects are due to fascia-stretching.