07-11-2004, 05:41 PM #1
Oral Only Cycle Haters. No Test=No Cycle Thread Parrots....Check this out.
I was doing research on M1T and stumbled across this. Enjoy.........
Oral Only Cycle (DBol) - An Experiment and some Results
<------- Just threw that in for Bubbathegut.
07-11-2004, 05:48 PM #2Originally Posted by Lozgod
07-11-2004, 05:51 PM #3Senior Member
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Bubba is going to get pissed if you dont quit fukking with his banana..
07-11-2004, 05:56 PM #4Originally Posted by Tryin2getHUGE
07-11-2004, 06:17 PM #5
Cmon ladies don't start this crap again....gets tiring after awhile
07-11-2004, 06:31 PM #6Originally Posted by Flasher
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Ya nice read loz...real interesting.... I wish he would have had his test levels checked and liver values sometime during his cycle...
07-11-2004, 06:40 PM #8Originally Posted by ToughGuy13
I hate when someone posts there are taking such and such and some idiot sais, "wow your liver must be all messed up".
07-11-2004, 06:47 PM #9Member
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Ya theyre blown out of proportion imo too but it would have been nice to have some conclusive evidence.... especially when he described his nuts shinkin and then returning to normal....
07-11-2004, 06:52 PM #10Originally Posted by ToughGuy13
07-11-2004, 06:53 PM #11Originally Posted by Lozgod
07-11-2004, 06:54 PM #12
07-11-2004, 06:55 PM #13Originally Posted by Flasher
07-11-2004, 06:56 PM #14Originally Posted by Lozgod
07-11-2004, 06:57 PM #15Originally Posted by Tryin2getHUGE
07-11-2004, 06:59 PM #16Originally Posted by Lozgod
07-11-2004, 07:02 PM #17Originally Posted by Tryin2getHUGE
07-11-2004, 07:03 PM #18Originally Posted by Lozgod
07-11-2004, 07:04 PM #19
I think Loz took it out of context but just remember, we're all on the same team here.
Although I have only been here a few months, I enjoy coming on here learning and shootin the s*** but don't be hatin....ruins it for everyone.
If I wanted to hear cursin, whining, bitchin & complaining I'd be downstairs with my wife!
07-11-2004, 07:04 PM #20Member
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Do you get back pumps loz? im in my 2nd week so far....
Spent all nite at a poker table last nite, if i wasnt winning i would prob died...
07-11-2004, 07:05 PM #21
BTW, that was a good read!
07-11-2004, 07:08 PM #22
Lozgod, maybe your attitude is steming from your new avatar. Try changing it back to the old one.
07-11-2004, 07:12 PM #23Originally Posted by Tryin2getHUGE
1000mg ED Milk Thistle
600mg ED Hawthorne
1000mg ED Niacin
1000mg ED Saw Palmetto
200mg ED Ginko
200mg ED Uva Ursi
180mg ED Dandelion Root
1mg ED Zanthin
Multi-Vitamin (of course)
07-11-2004, 07:14 PM #24Originally Posted by ToughGuy13
07-11-2004, 07:14 PM #25Originally Posted by Lozgod
07-11-2004, 07:16 PM #26
I just gotta ask who the hell is that homo in your avatar???
07-11-2004, 07:17 PM #27Originally Posted by buff87
07-11-2004, 07:17 PM #28
07-11-2004, 07:18 PM #29
Quote from I Robot!: Somehow Saying I told you so isn't quite going to cut it ;)
Exact quote from a post of mine:
Now I cannot understand the combo of these steroids .
I am probably the only one on this board who doesn't scream you need TEST in every cycle (the most irritating thing is that most don't even know what they are talking about and just repeat what they heard from knowledgeable bros), also an Oral-Only cycle can be effective and safe and especially is effective as an First or Second Cycle (Now I only advocate oral only cycles if they are a DHT-derivative except for Halotestin which I do not recommend).
Just don't go beyond six weeks and feel free to combine more than one as long as total dosage does not go over 50 mg a day!
Also take a liverprotector like Milkthistle!
Oral Turinabol (not a DHT-derivate)
Mestanolone ("Oral Masteron "/Methyl-DHT)
MethylTest (I do not like this steroid though!)
Not very effective (but also no stress on the liver so take as many weeks as you like at at least 200 mg every day for the Primotabs
and 400 mg every day for the Andriol ):
(Both very expensive even when Home-brewed!)
Rules for doing oral only:
1st, 2nd or in some rare cases 3rd cycle (eitherwise results aren't noticable)
good amount of time between cycles
DHT-derivative, Methyltest, Andriol, or Clostebol (Turinabol)
I DO NOT RECOMMEND DIANABOL ....
Not more than 50 mg ED for six weeks
(is maximum and also optimum dosage)
PCT is followed (not always necessary though when for instance doing 6 weeks of Primo but nevertheless better safe than sorry).
Now who dares to say Kingofmasters isn't a knowledgable bro!!
(Got that comment once in some profanity!)
Last edited by kingofmasters; 07-11-2004 at 07:23 PM.
07-11-2004, 07:22 PM #30
You can definitely get moderate gains with oral only cycles, provided diet and training is very solid.....the gains will be moderate though, and diet and training does HAVE to be on. Most newbies are not dialed in and won't see the gains that this guy did. "You must include test" is really most applicable to cycles with deca or tren (or anadrol ) IMO, most everything else you can work around by using complementing AAS. Whe you hear people "parrot" that one must use test, it's usually in response to a newbie wanting to run a deca only cycle or something to that effect. rather than trying to help a newbie design a complex cycle with deca and some complementing non-test androgens, we simply tell them to add test or just do a test-only cycle.
There is also the factor of being "on" for a longer period and acheiving consistent but moderate gains vs. a blitz cycle, where one gains considerable weight in less time and then is "off" for a period.....the net gains can and likely will be very comparable.
I still say pct is needed after even a short oral cycle, even with just AM dosing.
Just keep in mind that the seemimgly mindless generalizations people seem to "parrot" (and I generally agree) are generally correct and applicable. The exceptions are usually more involved/complex and add further confusion to someone new to the world of AAS.
I also will say that 17aa compounds' liver toxicity is overdramatized, but it still is a reality.
07-11-2004, 07:23 PM #31Originally Posted by kingofmasters
07-11-2004, 07:32 PM #32Originally Posted by Lozgod
Effeciency is depended on:
1) Genetics (most important factor)
Primotabs originally weren't in a carrier (and still aren't) and Andriol were a big flop due to it being in an ineffective carrier...
I heard rumours about Organon (in Oss about 100 kms away from me) going to pruduce an Andriol II using a much better absorbtionformula, for usage as HRT and for a "male anticonception pill"-trial.
I wouldn't know the molecular weight of Test Undecelynate but why not use a 50/50% mixture of Vitamin E and CycloDextrin (and among with a bit of BA for better dissolving and if needed flavourdrops) and rinse your mouth with it!
Just an idea though!
BTW einstein as always a great post!
Last edited by kingofmasters; 07-11-2004 at 07:35 PM.
07-11-2004, 07:35 PM #33
Hey i remember the story about him taking juice...
That would make him one of us... Now I do feel bad...
David will you ever forgive me...
Originally Posted by Lozgod
07-11-2004, 07:38 PM #34Originally Posted by kingofmasters
I considered getting a cheap pill machine and pressing sublingual test suspension for pre-workout, using Test Suspension and Cyclodextrine.
07-11-2004, 07:48 PM #35Originally Posted by einstein1905
07-11-2004, 08:05 PM #36
07-11-2004, 08:12 PM #37Originally Posted by einstein1905
07-12-2004, 02:40 AM #38
The facts are : If a Vet or Moderator says he has done a dbol only cycle, everyone will act interested and say good job etc. But if a first time user comes and ask for a dbol only cycle he will get flamed. PERIOD
07-12-2004, 04:53 AM #39Originally Posted by kingofmasters
Last edited by SV-1; 07-12-2004 at 04:55 AM.
07-12-2004, 05:59 AM #40
Yes, I like his idea of a mid-low dosage of D-bol for 4 weeks. I think i might actually try the same dosage scheme with my upcoming TrenE/Test E cycle.
The way you describe your usage reminds me of this particular thread.
European Theories on the use of AAS
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