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  1. 07-15-2004, 11:19 AM #1
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    Next Cycle..Please Critique

    Ok,

    Here is my current cyc-a very mild one...12 weeks

    400mg/test cyp / week
    50mg/ed winny
    40mg/ed var
    80-100 mcg 2 days on/off clen
    .1ml Tomox
    .25ml Arimidex
    PCT Clomid on 21 day cyc post

    Just trying for lean muscle. My stats to date are
    6'1'' 225lbs appx 14% BF (just checked-thought was lower)

    Going for this after my break!--objective is still for leaner muscle! 12-15 weeks

    500mg/wk Test enan
    50mg/ed Winny
    50mg/ed/ Var
    500mg/wk Tren or EQ
    10mg/ed Nolvadex
    .25mg/ed Arimidex
    PCT:
    clomid on 21 day plan

    Any suggestions welcomed!
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  2. 07-15-2004, 11:22 AM #2
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    How long are you running the var and winny???
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    Var throughout...Winny either 8 or 10 weeks! Trying to figure things out now!
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  4. 07-15-2004, 11:24 AM #4
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    So your taking 2 orals at the same time?? Winny 4-6 weeks
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  5. 07-15-2004, 11:25 AM #5
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    Also is that your first cycle you have posted?
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    That I am!
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    Nope, not first! Just trying to shred now....I like my current size, just trying to maintain and gain leaner muscle!
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  8. 07-15-2004, 11:39 AM #8
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    Did you do any research before your cycle???
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    Two 17aa orals... not a good choice IMO
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    Quote Originally Posted by kronik
    Two 17aa orals... not a good choice IMO
    I agree, not such a good idea. I would only run the anavar for 10wks and try to get some injectable winny and run it for 6wks. 8-10 is too long...
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    I did do my research....I know its bad but so is drinking and I do that too!...Ok, so drop the anavar down to 10 and winny to 6....Im pretty sure running var for long periods shouldnt matter non the less
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  12. 07-15-2004, 11:46 AM #12
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jrock79
    I did do my research....I know its bad but so is drinking and I do that too!
    Drinking while your doing 2 liver toxic orals...why?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jrock79
    I did do my research....I know its bad but so is drinking and I do that too!
    Bro don't make a mockery of someone trying to help you out. If I was you I would grow up before taking anymore steroids .

    SO this is how it is, two orals same cycle.... winny for 8-10 wks and a little beer and other drinks and anavar for 12wks ANd test at only 200mgs ew and it's not your first cycle Bro listen, you need our advice at the rate you are going... Take it while you can...
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    somethings just need to be done...I only drink on the weekends and when I do its like 2-3 captain n diet cokes...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jrock79
    somethings just need to be done...I only drink on the weekends and when I do its like 2-3 captain n diet cokes...
    You dont need to be adding any extra stress on your liver at this point in time..Your just asking for trouble IMO..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Russ616
    Bro don't make a mockery of someone trying to help you out. If I was you I would grow up before taking anymore steroids .

    SO this is how it is, two orals same cycle.... winny for 8-10 wks and a little beer and other drinks and anavar for 12wks ANd test at only 200mgs ew and it's not your first cycle Bro listen, you need our advice at the rate you are going... Take it while you can...
    Russ,

    In fact im older than you bro. Just cause I'm new to the boards doesnt mean a thing. 2nd I wasnt putting down any advise just giving my answers. And no, its not my first...just been off for a while and am starting back up.....I warrant any advise and will take it, in fact I was jotting down your advise...and why add more test if I'm cutting up?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jrock79
    Russ,

    In fact im older than you bro. Just cause I'm new to the boards doesnt mean a thing. 2nd I wasnt putting down any advise just giving my answers. And no, its not my first...just been off for a while and am starting back up.....I warrant any advise and will take it, in fact I was jotting down your advise...and why add more test if I'm cutting up?
    You are doing just enough test to shut you down and see no benefit from it..
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    Quote Originally Posted by kronik
    You dont need to be adding any extra stress on your liver at this point in time..Your just asking for trouble IMO..
    Understood! But like I said, this is a mild run. When I was bulking up, I didnt drink anything. Just in that state of mind...read your priv msgs...sorta explained it more!
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    Seriously bro, I have started to change my views just a little about the whole liver toxic issue when you are just taking 1 and in a moderate time frame, but 2 at the same time and drinking is not going to anything but hurt you in the long run. You may not see any problems at this point in your life, but wait till your in your golden years(retirement)...
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    all I am really tryin to say is the drinking it no good while on two orals. 200mgs of test ew is not enough. I would recommend a litte bit more why not try 100mgs prop eod. The water retention with prop isn't bad and you will see better gains. I wouldn't run the winny longer than 6wks and the anavar longer than 10, could see bad sides. GOod luck, no flame intended just didn't like how you had to through in ( and I drink too!!! ), that wasn't cool. Be safe...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jrock79
    Understood! But like I said, this is a mild run. When I was bulking up, I didnt drink anything. Just in that state of mind...read your priv msgs...sorta explained it more!
    I have replied...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jrock79
    Understood! But like I said, this is a mild run. When I was bulking up, I didnt drink anything. Just in that state of mind...read your priv msgs...sorta explained it more!
    Why would you even want to drink when you are cutting, doen't that defeat the purpose. If anything wouldn't you do that when bulking. Justs sounds weird...
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    captain n diet coke...90 calories...I have about 2....I do it to be social when I hit the bars to pick up lonely pathetic drunk ladies! I mean I still need to score right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jrock79
    captain n diet coke...90 calories...I have about 2....I do it to be social when I hit the bars to pick up lonely pathetic drunk ladies! I mean I still need to score right?
    True, just take it easy on the ole liver youv'e only got one...
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    haha true...true!
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    Do you have PCT set up?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kronik
    Do you have PCT set up?
    Yup...got clomid...gonna run 3 weeks 200/100/50....
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