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    First Cycle - Prop & Cyp

    Any comments on this potential first cycle - I am missing some details that will DEFINITELY be filled in meticulously before I begin. I will do NOTHING without extensive lookups, research, and certainty on everything

    8 week cycle
    weeks 1-8 test Propianate 50 mg EOD
    weeks 3-8 begin Proviron
    weeks 3-8 test cypianate about 300-400 mg per week (not sure how we are gonna divide that up yet)
    End with clomid therapy 3 weeks after last shot.

    I may bump the MGs up half way through
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    hey mate, cyp takes AGES to kick in, 3-8 for the cyp isnt long enough really

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    Bro skip the Cyp all together, its not going to do much in the 5 wks your running it. Prop at 50mg EOD?? How about 100mg EOD and your proviron is good but run it wks 1-8. With Prop only start your PCT 4-7days after your last prop shot.

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    take it like this
    1-4 prop 75mg/ed
    1-10 cyp 400mg/week

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    Quote Originally Posted by w_rballs
    take it like this
    1-4 prop 75mg/ed
    1-10 cyp 400mg/week
    Yup, I was going to say the same thing. This is a good suggestion for your cycle

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    Quote Originally Posted by hardgainer1
    Any comments on this potential first cycle - I am missing some details that will DEFINITELY be filled in meticulously before I begin. I will do NOTHING without extensive lookups, research, and certainty on everything

    8 week cycle
    weeks 1-8 test Propianate 50 mg EOD
    weeks 3-8 begin Proviron
    weeks 3-8 test cypianate about 300-400 mg per week (not sure how we are gonna divide that up yet)
    End with clomid therapy 3 weeks after last shot.

    I may bump the MGs up half way through
    I think that cycle is very poorly planned. I would drop the Cyp and up the Prop dose. Here's what I suggest:

    Week 1-8: Prop @ 125mg EOD
    Week 1-8: Proviron @ 50mg ED
    Week 1-8: Nolvadex @ 10mg ED
    Week 9-11: Nolvadex @ 20mg ED
    Week 9-11: Clomid @ 100mg ED

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    what diesel and rballs would work well, but remember for a 'newbie' the prop means a lot of shots


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    EOD is nothing - glutes, quads, delts and it's all good.

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    yeah im gonna be a pin cushion!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hardgainer1
    yeah im gonna be a pin cushion!
    if you dont want that, run cyp or enth, and do you have enough for 10-12 weeks,if you do why not do that?

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    its not that i dont want it, i have no idea what its like, never done it before, i can just imagine that its a pain in the ass (pun intended) jabbing yourself that frequently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hardgainer1
    its not that i dont want it, i have no idea what its like, never done it before, i can just imagine that its a pain in the ass (pun intended) jabbing yourself that frequently.
    thats why i suggest 10-12 weeks of enth 500mgs ew, two shots ew, its alot easier, especially if you cant shoot with both hands

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    Should I run Proviron for the DURATION of the cycle? I was just reading some Gyno posts and thought it might be a good thing.

    Also, why run Proviron AND Nolva?

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    You have to run cyp for 10 weeks at list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtdawg
    thats why i suggest 10-12 weeks of enth 500mgs ew, two shots ew, its alot easier, especially if you cant shoot with both hands
    exactly dirtdawg.
    run it like this:
    wks 1-12: 500mg/ew
    wks 1- pct: 10mg/ed of nolva
    wks 14-17: clomid therapy (300/100/50)

    this would set you up for some good, keepable gains.

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