Thread: Low dose, short cycle help
07-21-2004, 11:19 AM #1
Low dose, short cycle help
I want to make SMALL high quality gains with as few sides as poss
Was gonna do a Tets prop /EQ/ Var cycle, but can't deal with ED Prop injections for so long
so what do yo think to a Test E / Eq / Var cycle something like....
1-12 Test E (same / similar dose as Eq)
8-15 Anavar 50mg ED
16-19 Clomid PCT
(nolva / finasteride throughout)
Possibly 13-15 Test prop 75mg EOD (just to bridge till PCT)
(Would try Primo instead of Eq, but paranoid about fakes)
1. What do you think the LOWEST Test / Eq doses that would show ANY result?
2. Whats the SHORTEST time I could condense this cycle to?
3. How would a lower Test/Eq dose affect my PCT timings?
4. Any thoughts on if / when to throw some clen in?
This is my first (injectable) cycle
32yrs, 6''2, 190lbs, BF not exactly sure but 'a healthy average'
Training properly for 4 years
Clean diet, lifting Heavy low reps
Target 195 lbs with lower BF
My priorities are (in order)
1. Low Sides (esp Hair loss!!- not so bothered about decreased libido during)
2. Lean gains (doesn't have to be loads of mass, just wanna keep gains & avoid the bloat)
3. Keep cycle length to a minimum (not very important really)
Thanks for your help..
07-21-2004, 11:21 AM #2
07-21-2004, 11:23 AM #3
Whoops missed some stuff.
Run finasteride ED, as well as anti-e's. If you do want bloat...add 0.25mg Adex...plus use 10mg Ndex ED.
07-21-2004, 11:23 AM #4
07-21-2004, 11:27 AM #5
Could use prop at the end too.
07-21-2004, 11:27 AM #6Originally Posted by duckman
i agree with hustla, but nice job puting this together. looks like you did your homework. thats always good to see. this would be a great third cycle or so. the only thing i would change would be , dont mess with the prop, and the var from week 7-14. to match up a little with the pct.. this will be a good first cycle look below
1-12wk test e 500mg every week shoot mon and thurs
1-12wk nolva at 10mg ed
12-pct nolva at 20mg ed
**if you can get femara or ldex go for it, it will help with the bloat
pct=clomid, nolva and maybe some clen too
good luck and later
07-21-2004, 11:33 AM #7
My angle on this stack is that I can keep the test ( & hence DHT ) to a minimum, & still get some gains, by putting something else ( hair friendly !) like Eq in the mix.....?
I've been taking finasteride (with nizoral) for 4 years so thats nothing new...... was thinking about moving to Avodart (dutasteride) during cycle
As you can tell I love my hair......but I do wanna get buff!
What do you think the lowest effective dose of Test E/Eq would be?
07-21-2004, 11:33 AM #8
Ps thanks for the replies!!
07-21-2004, 12:59 PM #9Originally Posted by duckman
1-10: Prop 75-100mg EOD
Run anavar at the beginng or end.
With finasteride you shouldn't experience much hairloss at all.
If you're just shooting prop, you can quickly bail out of the cycle if sides become a problem.
07-21-2004, 01:33 PM #10Originally Posted by MMC78
if he should stick to a single compound, dont tell him to throw var in the mix. no flame just letting ya know
07-21-2004, 01:50 PM #11
if your test e is 250mg/ml you could do 0.75ml monday and thursday giving you a total of 375mg a week, test-e takes a few weeks to kick in , i think thats why people get impatient and think more is needed! i personally stick to the small group that strongly believe all cycles are over dosed, and its proven that great bodybuilders of the 80's used one third to one half of what beginners/amateurs are using today, and back then they managed to get great results! go to the pictures and cycle results forum and look up a guy called bask8case who got great results and did it with lower dosages, and i men great results!! just good diet man! steroids arent muscles in a bottle so more is not always better.
07-21-2004, 03:01 PM #12Originally Posted by KAEW44
Duckman...keep doing your homework (good job so far) and make an informed decision on what you think will work for you. What works for one may not work for another. We are our own guinea pigs at times. Trial and error.
Just my .02
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