Which cycle is best

**Roadisafunnyword** · 07-21-2004, 08:16 PM

Which cycle is best for mass and stregth

1-12 Testosterone Cypionate 500mg/week
1-12 Deca -Durabolin 400mg/week

1-12 Testosterone Cypionate 500mg/weel
1-6 Dainabol 35mg/week

Also If i frontloaded the first cycle to look like this....

1-3 testosterone Cypionate 1000mg/week
1-3 Deca-durabolin 800mg/week
3-12 Testosterone Cypionate 500mg/week
3-12 Deca-Durabolin 400mg/week

Would i See the gains faster?

**TheMudMan** · 07-21-2004, 08:18 PM

What is your cycle history?

**1badcamaro** · 07-21-2004, 11:54 PM

if you have previous cycle experience why not jump start with dbol and use deca and test..........if its your first cycle then drop both dbol and deca and just do test only

**AandF6969** · 07-22-2004, 12:42 AM

Dont frontload... fluctuating hormone levels more than you have to is bad news

**iNvid** · 07-22-2004, 12:44 AM

Stats? O.o

**Roadisafunnyword** · 07-22-2004, 11:33 AM

Originally Posted by invid

Stats? O.o

IT is my first cycle and Im not doing a test only becuase i dont think i will get much unless I use 750mg or more. I am a very big dude just under 270 lBS and just under 6'(bout 5'11 and a half) Bench-405 for 6 squat-405 for 12 deadlift 630-max. I have very good genetics so u could calll me a easy gainer, but i work my ass off and have been since i was 13.

I emailed dave palumbo asking for his advice, he said either use 500mg of test with 400mg and deca or just 750mg of test.

What are your thoughts on dbol , I always thought it was sloppy drug that only gave temporary gains. Is this rite?

PS my bodydat is around 12-13% I can still see me abs if i flex them

and i love this banana guy

the afro guy is cool too

**TheMudMan** · 07-22-2004, 11:38 AM

1-12 Testosterone Cypionate 500mg/weel
1-4 Dainabol 50mg/week
1-15 L-dex .25mg ED
1-15 Nolva 10mg ED

Start PCT 18 days after last Cyp injection
Day 1 300mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva / .25mg L-dex
Day 2 - 30 100mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva / .25mg L-dex
Day 31 - 37 20mg Nolva / .25mg L-dex

**Roadisafunnyword** · 07-22-2004, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by TheMudMan

1-12 Testosterone Cypionate 500mg/weel
1-4 Dainabol 50mg/week
1-15 L-dex .25mg ED
1-15 Nolva 10mg ED

Start PCT 18 days after last Cyp injection
Day 1 300mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva / .25mg L-dex
Day 2 - 30 100mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva / .25mg L-dex
Day 31 - 37 20mg Nolva / .25mg L-dex

Sounds good thanks man, But isnt 50mg alot?

I was thinkin for my first cycle i would do Dbol and test and from then on out I would to test and deca as future cycles. I am afraid of running Dbol more then 2 cycles in a row my brother did that and had kidney and liver problems.

**map200uk** · 07-22-2004, 02:20 PM

hey glad you're being cautious about your orals, id run the dbol at 30-35mg e/d

and for a first cycle test + dbol is great as u said

**TheMudMan** · 07-22-2004, 02:22 PM

You weigh 270lbs 30 to 35mg will not do anything for you.......... You're a big boy bro and will need more D-bol to get the results you're after.

**THE PUMP** · 07-22-2004, 02:25 PM

another tip bro always run the deca a week shorter than the test!

**Da Bull** · 07-22-2004, 02:27 PM

Originally Posted by Roadisafunnyword

Which cycle is best for mass and stregth

1-12 Testosterone Cypionate 500mg/week
1-12 Deca -Durabolin 400mg/week

1-12 Testosterone Cypionate 500mg/weel
1-6 Dainabol 35mg/week

Also If i frontloaded the first cycle to look like this....

1-3 testosterone Cypionate 1000mg/week
1-3 Deca-durabolin 800mg/week
3-12 Testosterone Cypionate 500mg/week
3-12 Deca-Durabolin 400mg/week

Would i See the gains faster?

I'd def go with #1 as long as you don't frontload.Just have your Nolv,femara,clomid and something to keep prolactin levels low.I'll suggest Cabergoline @ .5 mgs E4d over b-6.

**Da Bull** · 07-22-2004, 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by THE PUMP

another tip bro always run the deca a week shorter than the test!

No need..cyp clears in 18 days,deca in 21.

**Roadisafunnyword** · 07-22-2004, 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by Da Bull

I'd def go with #1 as long as you don't frontload.Just have your Nolv,femara,clomid and something to keep prolactin levels low.I'll suggest Cabergoline @ .5 mgs E4d over b-6.

Thanks Bro! In your expeirence do you find Deca & test to be a clearly better stregth and mass builder then Dbol and test?

**Da Bull** · 07-22-2004, 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by Roadisafunnyword

Thanks Bro! In your expeirence do you find Deca & test to be a clearly better stregth and mass builder then Dbol and test?

I like test/deca for mass....dbol gives you strength in the cycles beggining,but it drops off some after you discountinue use.I don't like alot of the sides dbol has either.High bp,back pumps,and I loose my appetite on dbol as well.

**Roadisafunnyword** · 07-22-2004, 09:18 PM

Originally Posted by Da Bull

I like test/deca for mass....dbol gives you strength in the cycles beggining,but it drops off some after you discountinue use.I don't like alot of the sides dbol has either.High bp,back pumps,and I loose my appetite on dbol as well.

Yea the only reason I am using Dbol only once is becuase I want to see the Quick strength gain. First cycle i will be using 40mgdbol 500mg test dbol will only be for 5 weeks test for 12 from then on out its test and deca !!

Oh yea I had some anxiety and parania problems in the past, there pretty much behind me but decide to ruin my life a few days outa the year and pop up every once in awhile, I am going to have Xanax for post cycle for this reason to use if needed. This is also why i am staying away from EQ,Fina,ABombs becuase i heard they can cause mental problems, Again there mostly in the past and i want to keep them there!!

**Roadisafunnyword** · 07-23-2004, 03:57 PM

Update!!

Cycle change to-
Test Cypionate - 500mg/
Deca - 400mg/
I changed to this for 2 reasons. I could not find dbol at a decent price, and i wasnt gonna pay the high price it was offered for Becuase I just wanted to mess around with heaveir wieght but now that I think of it, It is not very safe to do what i was planning which would be a sharp rise in stregth followed by a drop. So deca is more suitable. I plan to cycle until im about 30-35 and every 3 cycle increase the dosage. From 500/400 to 750/500 to 1000/600 and then for my last cycle of all i think i wanna go to 1000/800 with HGH and go out with a bang. Im gettin to wrapped up in my plans now!! o well, banana timeee

**Roadisafunnyword** · 07-23-2004, 09:22 PM

EDIT

OK NVM about the Dbol could not get it. Found out that the source was notorious for selling bunk ****!

Ok So my cycle is gonna be....

Weeks 1-12 Testosteone Cypionate 500mg/A Week
Weeks 1-12 Deca -Durabolin 400mg/A week

I may Decide to go with a higher dosage of test and drop the deca Such as 750mg of test alone....but mabye not/ Also my diet will be 6.5K calories 500grams of protien, I am looking to gain 30lBs and keep 25....